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Michael6835
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12/8/2006  10:26 AM
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If this was the knicks and they lost, it would not be deemed a good game, it would be how bad the defense was to all so many points. Just showing the difference in how the reporters love to jump on the Knicks.

As bad as the knicks are playing right now, the nets are playing just as bad if not worse. They are suppose to be a major playoff contender in the east, but everyone by passes that heads straight for the knicks. The funny thing is when you check the standings, they are only 1.5 games behind the suns for atlantic lead. Which when i sort by conference puts them in 4th seed. I am not sure if the rules changed, but i remember that once you won your division it was an automatic lock.

I say we need to give Isaih the full year with his players and not trade for anyone except a garnett type guy (we do not need iverson, you talk about steph,craw,francis being ball hogs, Curry will never see the ball) If after a year this team doesnt improve, fire isaih and trade marbs, francis or who ever. Give it a chance to fail. What do you think ?
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12/8/2006  10:27 AM
Isiah is the debbil himself

Get with the program
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12/8/2006  10:32 AM
That decision rests on Dolan and his tendency to be reactionary. Attendance at MSG is down to the point they're offering 40% discounts at seats and the fans that do show up flat-out don't believe in this squad. When it affects Dolan's pockets, there's a problem and it's not a coincidence he's been MIA from games lately. Isiah should get the full season but it would not surprise me if Dolan axed him before Christmas just to create some more "buzz".
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12/8/2006  10:33 AM
The Nets have been HUGE underachievers but they get a pass because Lawrence Frank is a genius

Ain't he?
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12/8/2006  10:35 AM
Well, who goes to Nets games anyway? Shaq and Kobe couldn't get people to go to Nets games.
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12/8/2006  10:39 AM
The Nets have been very good for a number of years, so people have more patience. Fans can see the players assembled and believe that they will get it together.

Who believes that by the end of the season the Knicks will be 1.5 games behind the Nets? Any takers?
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12/8/2006  10:43 AM
double standards and unreal expectations

I guess it's unreal to expect a team with something like $136 MM payroll to be better than a team on pace for 28 wins. Sorry, my bad.

As Andrew said, the Nets get more slack, because of what they've done over past years. If they finish with 28 wins, then things will change for them, too.
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12/8/2006  10:44 AM
i expected the Knicks to be bad this season... i expected the Nets to be good... funny how the Knicks are getting all the press while the Nets are given a pass in this town... just goes to show how little the Nets really matter around these parts... it's a Knicks town & will always be a Knicks town.
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12/8/2006  10:53 AM
the nets are in a slump. if it goes on and they start making some tabloid-worthy material, they'll get press.

i'm not sure what to call what the knicks are in. maybe "purgatory" as clyde might call it?
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12/8/2006  10:57 AM
They are starters though Jefferson, Kristic, Williams

and two player they can always move Kidd and Carter, the real problem is Collins he is terrible
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12/8/2006  11:09 AM
The Nets were 9-12 last season and would have finished with 50 wins if they didnt take the last 3 games off. They get a pass because they have done this pretty much since Kidd has been there. Slow start but win 45+ games.
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12/8/2006  11:37 AM
I don't think the Nets will be so fortunate this year. For one thing they have an increasingly tough schedule for the rest of Dec. and Jan. They have 4 back to back sets against good teams to close out Dec. Then they have 10 road games in Jan. including a 5 game Western swing. The Nets have it easy for the next 3 games and should win those, but after that i'm not so sure about them. They have so much talent that a sudden win streak is well within their ability, so you never know. I just get the feeling that they may not get it going like that this year.
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12/8/2006  11:41 AM
There's a rumor going around about them trading for Jamaal Magloire - so that would definitely help them out.

Though, I gotta say I think it's a bit ironic how hard the Nets ownership is trying to move here, but by the time they do get here (which is what... 2-3 years from now), they likely won't be all that good anymore.
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12/8/2006  11:49 AM
Posted by TMS:

i expected the Knicks to be bad this season... i expected the Nets to be good... funny how the Knicks are getting all the press while the Nets are given a pass in this town... just goes to show how little the Nets really matter around these parts... it's a Knicks town & will always be a Knicks town.

exactly...Nets are getting a pass because nobody CARES
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12/8/2006  1:07 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by TMS:

i expected the Knicks to be bad this season... i expected the Nets to be good... funny how the Knicks are getting all the press while the Nets are given a pass in this town... just goes to show how little the Nets really matter around these parts... it's a Knicks town & will always be a Knicks town.

exactly...Nets are getting a pass because nobody CARES

I agree. None of the big local NY teams get passes when there are high expectations (Mets, Yanks, Giants, Jets, Knicks, Rangers). As the Giants this year how they feel about the media...Strahan, Barber, Burress, Manning and Caughlin have all been targets of fans and the media this season. Legitimate or not.

I'm willing to bet, based on history, that if the Knicks were expected to win 50 games and had the same record as the Nets the press and many fans would be going ballistic on them. No pass would be granted at all. Lest we forget the circus that was the 1998-99 reg. season for the Knicks. Expectations were high, and they BARELY snuck into the playoffs with a nice win streak to end the season. Their underacheiving ended up with the firing of Earnie Grunfeld, which might have been the beginning of a series of bad moves made by Checketts and the higher ups in the Knicks organization which has left us where we are. I believe Joe Bonengo (Sp?) from WFAN, who is a big Knick fan, used to rail on Grunfeld on a daily basis, and fans fed off that rant and eventually so did the organization.

How many Isiah haters would rather have Earnie Grunfeld instead? I suspect a good portion, at least


[Edited by - PresIke on 12-08-2006 1:09 PM]
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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12/8/2006  1:48 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by TMS:

i expected the Knicks to be bad this season... i expected the Nets to be good... funny how the Knicks are getting all the press while the Nets are given a pass in this town... just goes to show how little the Nets really matter around these parts... it's a Knicks town & will always be a Knicks town.

exactly...Nets are getting a pass because nobody CARES

I agree. None of the big local NY teams get passes when there are high expectations (Mets, Yanks, Giants, Jets, Knicks, Rangers). As the Giants this year how they feel about the media...Strahan, Barber, Burress, Manning and Caughlin have all been targets of fans and the media this season. Legitimate or not.

I'm willing to bet, based on history, that if the Knicks were expected to win 50 games and had the same record as the Nets the press and many fans would be going ballistic on them. No pass would be granted at all. Lest we forget the circus that was the 1998-99 reg. season for the Knicks. Expectations were high, and they BARELY snuck into the playoffs with a nice win streak to end the season. Their underacheiving ended up with the firing of Earnie Grunfeld, which might have been the beginning of a series of bad moves made by Checketts and the higher ups in the Knicks organization which has left us where we are. I believe Joe Bonengo (Sp?) from WFAN, who is a big Knick fan, used to rail on Grunfeld on a daily basis, and fans fed off that rant and eventually so did the organization.

How many Isiah haters would rather have Earnie Grunfeld instead? I suspect a good portion, at least


[Edited by - PresIke on 12-08-2006 1:09 PM]

The press for Rangers is always OK.
Rangers have different fan base.
If some beat writer will start going on Rangers they will meet him at the corner and bit a sheet from him...
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12/8/2006  4:05 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by TMS:

i expected the Knicks to be bad this season... i expected the Nets to be good... funny how the Knicks are getting all the press while the Nets are given a pass in this town... just goes to show how little the Nets really matter around these parts... it's a Knicks town & will always be a Knicks town.

exactly...Nets are getting a pass because nobody CARES

I agree. None of the big local NY teams get passes when there are high expectations (Mets, Yanks, Giants, Jets, Knicks, Rangers). As the Giants this year how they feel about the media...Strahan, Barber, Burress, Manning and Caughlin have all been targets of fans and the media this season. Legitimate or not.

I'm willing to bet, based on history, that if the Knicks were expected to win 50 games and had the same record as the Nets the press and many fans would be going ballistic on them. No pass would be granted at all. Lest we forget the circus that was the 1998-99 reg. season for the Knicks. Expectations were high, and they BARELY snuck into the playoffs with a nice win streak to end the season. Their underacheiving ended up with the firing of Earnie Grunfeld, which might have been the beginning of a series of bad moves made by Checketts and the higher ups in the Knicks organization which has left us where we are. I believe Joe Bonengo (Sp?) from WFAN, who is a big Knick fan, used to rail on Grunfeld on a daily basis, and fans fed off that rant and eventually so did the organization.

How many Isiah haters would rather have Earnie Grunfeld instead? I suspect a good portion, at least


[Edited by - PresIke on 12-08-2006 1:09 PM]


Thats the point, what does everyone expect the knicks to do, having high expectations for them this season is just setting yourself up for failure. Dont give me the thing about the money situation, it is what it is. If we went the route many say we should have went and rebuilded the team through the draft, the rant would be even more venomous, garden would be even more empty.

Nets get a pass, because a headline of Isaih vs Fans is more intriguing. On a side note, someone mentioned Lawrence Frank is a genius. Some one remind me again what he has done to make him a genius, Byron Scott took the nets to the finals, what does that make him ?

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12/8/2006  4:20 PM
Posted by Michael6835:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by TMS:

i expected the Knicks to be bad this season... i expected the Nets to be good... funny how the Knicks are getting all the press while the Nets are given a pass in this town... just goes to show how little the Nets really matter around these parts... it's a Knicks town & will always be a Knicks town.

exactly...Nets are getting a pass because nobody CARES

I agree. None of the big local NY teams get passes when there are high expectations (Mets, Yanks, Giants, Jets, Knicks, Rangers). As the Giants this year how they feel about the media...Strahan, Barber, Burress, Manning and Caughlin have all been targets of fans and the media this season. Legitimate or not.

I'm willing to bet, based on history, that if the Knicks were expected to win 50 games and had the same record as the Nets the press and many fans would be going ballistic on them. No pass would be granted at all. Lest we forget the circus that was the 1998-99 reg. season for the Knicks. Expectations were high, and they BARELY snuck into the playoffs with a nice win streak to end the season. Their underacheiving ended up with the firing of Earnie Grunfeld, which might have been the beginning of a series of bad moves made by Checketts and the higher ups in the Knicks organization which has left us where we are. I believe Joe Bonengo (Sp?) from WFAN, who is a big Knick fan, used to rail on Grunfeld on a daily basis, and fans fed off that rant and eventually so did the organization.

How many Isiah haters would rather have Earnie Grunfeld instead? I suspect a good portion, at least


[Edited by - PresIke on 12-08-2006 1:09 PM]


Thats the point, what does everyone expect the knicks to do, having high expectations for them this season is just setting yourself up for failure. Dont give me the thing about the money situation, it is what it is. If we went the route many say we should have went and rebuilded the team through the draft, the rant would be even more venomous, garden would be even more empty.

Nets get a pass, because a headline of Isaih vs Fans is more intriguing. On a side note, someone mentioned Lawrence Frank is a genius. Some one remind me again what he has done to make him a genius, Byron Scott took the nets to the finals, what does that make him ?

Can someone please find one person besides Nixluva and MustafaB who had high expectations for the Knicks. Most people were hoping for mediocrity. 35-38 wins was a general consensus. Are these unrealistic standards for this team?

Isiah's problem is simple. He has fired 3 coaches. Turned the roster over 2-3 times. And built around 2 different players and 3 different cores. How many players last longer than 2 years. How many players are jettisoned. How many lottery picks are tradaed for "assets" to help us today. How many free-agents are signed becasue we need someone to help us win today. Isiah is crying for patience yet has shown absolutely none. Everytime a young athletic player comes down the pike he changes his plan and targets that player as the next savior. Show us a coherent plan.

How difficult is it to lottery, or top 3 protect a pick. What GM who's team did not make the playoffs the year before doesn't do this? What will it take to want a new GM to build around the young guys? Isiah's job is on the line. Is Craw's role safe? Frye? David Lee? I'm not as confident as some. I reaised this question during the offseason and the danger is becoming reality.




[Edited by - bippity10 on 12-08-2006 4:24 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 12-08-2006 4:26 PM]
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12/8/2006  5:06 PM
Last season all I herd was we just wanted them to play hard. Its not how many games they won. We just wanted them to play hard. Laydens team didn't have talent. But at least they played hard.

Now I will admitt I didn't watch to many games this season. So I will ask the question. Out of the 21 games we played so far. How many games has this team NOT played hard. And im not talking about games where they mad a ton of mistakes. Im talking about games they just did not play with effort?
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I think the guys are trying had this year. It just seems like a poorly constructed team.
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