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djsunyc
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12/3/2006  10:40 PM
December 03, 2006
Knicks Shouldn't Forget Their Past

In a perfect world Isiah Thomas would be coaching the Detroit Pistons, the team that he led to back-to-back NBA titles.

Thomas had a falling out with Pistons owner William Davidson and since retiring has worked for three different organizations but remains a Piston at heart. Funny, how Joe Dumars, Bill Laimbeer, Rick Mahorn and John Long all work for the team in some capacity and yet the most important player in franchise history remains something of an outcast.

On Friday, a fan near the Knicks bench screamed: “Hey Isiah, just send Bill Davidson an apology letter and he’ll hire you…to coach the hockey team.” Davidson, it should be noted, also owns the Tampa Bay Lightning.

Thomas received a warm ovation when he was introduced before the game and had countless employees of the team and Palace of Auburn Hills search him out to say hello. You could tell that Isiah was touched by the outpouring of love.

It’s a crime that he doesn’t work for the team. That being said, Isiah needs to do a better job of reaching out to the Knicks' past. The fact that Patrick Ewing doesn’t work for the team is a joke. Patrick is not looking for a token job where he just collects a paycheck. He would be an ideal assistant coach and could be a valuable asset working with Eddy Curry. Look at the job Patrick (along with Tom Thibodeau) did with Yao Ming in Houston.

Mark Aguirre is doing a fine job teaching Curry how to operate in the low post. Ewing could educate Curry on how to succeed in New York. Other than Herb Williams, who was a reserve player for the 90’s Knicks, no one on the Knicks bench or front office has ever won in New York. Ewing could provide much needed leadership.

Why is it that Charlie Ward works in Houston, Derek Harper in Dallas, Charles Oakley in Charlotte, Mark Jackson in New Jersey and Allan Houston at ESPN and not one of them is in New York? The organization reached out to Kenny Smith to work its television broadcasts but he’s not a Knick. Look around the league, all teams reach out to their former players. But not in New York.

James Dolan has no sense of Knicks history and its tradition. (Unless you consider giving Jerome Williams a show on MSG a good move). It’s odd that Thomas hasn’t tried to address the issue, especially when he should know as well as anyone what it feels like to be detached from the team he gave his blood, sweat and tears to.

And one more thing about Isiah. I actually feel he’s done a good job as head coach. But why does he feel the need to dismiss everything the Knicks accomplished in the 90’s. His Knicks haven’t come close to matching that success. Maybe Thomas dislikes the 90’s Knicks because it was Ewing’s team that ended the Bad Boys for good in 1992.

I remember being at that game. Ah, the memories.

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The Knicks 1-7 home record is a disgrace If they lose to Memphis on Monday – I’m predicting a crowd of 14,000 and change – things could start to get ugly.

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Is the Players Association kidding me about filing an unfair labor practice grievance over the new basketball? Here’s how bad the working conditions are for NBA players; The average salary is $5 million.

You want unfair labor practices? I’ll give you unfair labor practices. I haven’t covered a Knicks' playoff win since Game 3 in 2001 against Toronto.
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12/3/2006  11:05 PM
good points...and suggestions
SugarRayRichardson
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12/3/2006  11:08 PM
Ive been saying this for 14 months! Post that on real gm. It drives me nuts that Patrick has practically begged to coach here and keeps getting pushed away by Isiah/Dolan
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/4/2006  12:10 AM
excellent points.
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12/4/2006  12:12 AM
I think people are misinformed. The last thing I heard was Kwing left the Rockets because he wants to be a head coach. Not an assistant coach, but a head coach . I remember Patrick saying that he has put his time in and wants to be a head-coach of a team. Patrick said he has all the skills and personality to work with these young players. Also, Patrick also mentioned that across the league you have a few guys that have been a head-coach and have not paid their dues. These players have automatically gone from player to head-coach. Kwing has been an assistant coach long enough and he feels that he should be a head coach not an assistant or trainer, scout or whatever else.



[Edited by - BigC on 12-04-2006 12:15 AM]
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12/4/2006  3:12 AM
I think his post misses the point. I really don't care if ex-players work for the franchise for which they played. I care about teams being run by professional managers. To the end, I would rather hire a person who was affiliated with another team, but who is competent, than one who was affiliated with a team I root for, who isn't.

Dolan has far greater problems than his lack of a sense of history, and if that's the deficit he seeks to cure first, it might serve to obscure his more glaring deficiencies.
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12/4/2006  8:46 AM
Patrick has said for years he wants to come back but I had not heard as a head coach. When he left the Rockets he said it was because he wanted to live closer to his family.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/4/2006  9:08 AM
I had heard head coach also.

He is hanging around alot so it may come to pass.

Do I think he is dillusional at times in his career? Yeah, he has a massive ego and is confident.

As far as starphuching into the past is a good game but does not always yield good results.

The great Willis Reed was average at best as a coach and GM. Dave Debussure never established himself as a great executive either. Thats our limited past, and not to say we should not have ex-players around in some capacity.

John Starks seems to have come and go with no distiguished impression other than he gets to sit in good empty sets from time to time.

Oakley is a Jordan ass kisser big time and this is his first gig (in charlotte) only as an "advisor".

Maybe we need to bring Mase back and he can teach cooking/home economics in the high school? OR are those girls too old by then?


One problem is we don't have too many REAL ex-knicks to go around. Derek Harper spend far more and better years in Dallas than every here. Doc Rivers has proven to be a starphuch announcer turned coach.

We have had so many players in and out of here they barely had time to establish themselves as knick greats. Why mention Mark Jackson, he has not been here in 13 years!

Anyone know what the big rif was between Isiah and Davidson? Davidson is a bit of a prick, but Isiah has been known to inflate his ability and self worth. Perhaps he "thought" he was promised somthing?

To give Ewing the gig over Herb Williams whom was about promised the job two years ago, and whom has really paid his dues would be strickly a starphuch attraction type hire.

ANd its not like Ewing turned Yao into a star from out of the blue. Yao was in need of some time to grow into his body, get strength, and work on fundamentals.
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12/4/2006  9:18 AM
Isiah retired and worked for the Pistons. Then Isiah in a power play announced to the media he would be the next gm of the pistons. Davidson said not so fast. Then Bye Bye Isiah
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/4/2006  9:19 AM
If we want Curry and frye to improve their rebounding and defense doesnt it make sense to let Patrick work with them? Aguire was never a rebounder nor a defender. Nevermind big men often relate to each other better.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/4/2006  9:45 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

If we want Curry and frye to improve their rebounding and defense doesnt it make sense to let Patrick work with them? Aguire was never a rebounder nor a defender. Nevermind big men often relate to each other better.


I have no problem with Ewing being an assistant coach. He did say he wants a head coach gig. That I have a problem with.

As far as playing career ability carrying over to coaching traits, I don't know if Patrick the player personality would be a good coach.

If it matters, Herb was a center. To be a college star, and 16 year player in the NBA at the center position does give you good perspective.

And he practiced against Ewing for many years!
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12/4/2006  9:47 AM
Yao seemed pretty complimentary of Patricks work with him. If I want my bigs to defend and rebound I think I would trust Patrick to teach them that before Aguire. Aguire cant know how a center has to play defensively better than Patrick who did it for like 18 years.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/4/2006  12:56 PM
I don't think Isiah will hire someone that would be a threat to his long-term association with our organization. Hiring Ewing may put thoughts in Dolan's head. Isiah would never do that to himself.
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12/4/2006  12:58 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I don't think Isiah will hire someone that would be a threat to his long-term association with our organization. Hiring Ewing may put thoughts in Dolan's head. Isiah would never do that to himself.

Nail head!
I fear it is as simple as that
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/4/2006  1:08 PM
You think it's possible the other reason he doesn't want Patrick here is b/c Patrick led the team that ended the Bad Boys?

Just wondering. :)
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12/4/2006  1:10 PM
anybody think patrick showing up at the garden pretty frequently this year is a way for dolan to turn the screws on isiah just a little tighter?

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12/4/2006  1:12 PM
Posted by K22:

You think it's possible the other reason he doesn't want Patrick here is b/c Patrick led the team that ended the Bad Boys?

Just wondering. :)


With isiah you never really can tell so I dont want to guess. He does seem to hold grudges at times.

I did think that when Isiah took the low road question via Greg Anthonys basketball abilities Greg Anthony could have easily shot back that last time he looked shooting 34% in a playoff series is hardly dominant. Isiah would know right away that Anthony was reffering to Mark Jackson and Greg anthony totally shutting Isiah down in 1992.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/4/2006  1:13 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

anybody think patrick showing up at the garden pretty frequently this year is a way for dolan to turn the screws on isiah just a little tighter?
I dont think Dolan or Isiah want him there but I'm glad he keeps showing up. If Dolan wanted Patrick there he would be giving him a position.

I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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