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TrueBlue
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12/2/2006  12:01 PM
I don't see too much difference in regards to what these 2 bring to a team when they're on their best offensive game. The only thing that may give Curry somewhat of an edge is the position he plays. Let's be honest Curry plays the weakest position in the league and therefore is playing against the worst competition. Tonight he faces the unstoppable force in Rasho Nesterovich.


The Knicks record when Curry scores 20pts or more it's 2-6

The Knicks record when Curry gets double digit rebounding 2-2

Curry's scoring average in the Knicks wins 15.8pts/gm

Curry's scoring average in the Knicks losses 14.8pts/gm

Curry's rebounding average in the Knicks wins 7reb/gm


I tried to look at other stats during the wins but this guys does absolutely nothing else and I'm not kidding.


Are fans trying to look at Curry's play as a means to validate trading for him? Do we have the bigger version of Marbury on our hands except without the attitude?



The Toronto game should be exempt but I'm still keeping score.




[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 9:48 PM]
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12/2/2006  12:02 PM
What are you trying to say, Curry shouldn't score? Or are you trying to say we should care about Curry scoring? Trying to drag people into your misery pit?
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12/2/2006  12:06 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

What are you trying to say, Curry shouldn't score? Or are you trying to say we should care about Curry scoring? Trying to drag people into your misery pit?

I'm saying don't go overboard with his scoring production.
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12/2/2006  12:09 PM
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by Silverfuel:

What are you trying to say, Curry shouldn't score? Or are you trying to say we should care about Curry scoring? Trying to drag people into your misery pit?
I'm saying don't go overboard with his scoring production.
Oh. I don't see anyone calling him a dominant franchise player just yet! I guess our definitions of "going overboard" are not the same.
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12/2/2006  12:15 PM
The difference is Curry is a center. That might be simple, so I'll continue. Him being a center means his 20 points:
comes on fewer touches
comes as of result of ball move
comes at the expense of fouls on the other teams bigs
Makes the other team have to double and rotate, which means more offensive rebounds and more room for the guards to move around



That's the difference......
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12/2/2006  12:17 PM
Posted by Anji:

The difference is Curry is a center. That might be simple, so I'll continue. Him being a center means his 20 points:
comes on fewer touches
comes as of result of ball move
comes at the expense of fouls on the other teams bigs
Makes the other team have to double and rotate, which means more offensive rebounds and more room for the guards to move around



That's the difference......


What will the record reflect?

I'm going to keep a track of this and compare the Knicks success for when Curry produces offensively vs when he rebounds.
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12/2/2006  12:22 PM
I think KG scored a bunch of 20 point games last season in a ton of losses. He sucks. He is fat. He is lazy. Is that how it goes?
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/2/2006  12:29 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I think KG scored a bunch of 20 point games last season in a ton of losses. He sucks. He is fat. He is lazy. Is that how it goes?

That's a very poor retort and you should feel ashamed even gringing Garnett into this discussion. Shall we look at everything else KG does that Curry doesn't? Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise? You see 2 can play that game. KG gives double digit rebounding, 2blks, and 4-5ast and he's done this almost 10yrs straight and started after his 3rd yr in the league.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 11:31 AM]
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12/2/2006  12:35 PM
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I think KG scored a bunch of 20 point games last season in a ton of losses. He sucks. He is fat. He is lazy. Is that how it goes?

That's a very poor retort and you should feel ashamed even gringing Garnett into this discussion. Shall we look at everything else KG does that Curry doesn't? Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise? You see 2 can play that game. KG gives double digit rebounding, 2blks, and 4-5ast and he's done this almost 10yrs straight and started after his 3rd yr in the league.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 11:31 AM]

Its the same kind of hatred based retort that you have often.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/2/2006  12:41 PM
The main point is that it's better for the team to have Curry's 20, cuz it's more efficient and it causes more negatives for the other team. It distorts their defense, so that they have to double of cheat into the paint. This leads to easier plays for our other players who now can go against a distracted defender. It leads to more fouls and our team getting into the penalty earlier. It helps us to be a team that passes more and thus we tend to have better team play, than when our guards are going one on one or one on five.

Now there's more to a game than just these aspects, so we may still not win. The Pistons simply out shot us from the perimeter and that's hard to stop with a team that's as professional and efficient as the Pistons. Still what we did and tend to do in games when Curry is a big factor would serve us well against most other Eastern Conf. teams.
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12/2/2006  12:41 PM
they're still figuring out how to build the offense around Curry. but the most important stats on this team are team turnovers and team assists, and those certainly have to do with Curry, but also with our guard play.

Is it Curry's fault that Marbury got embarassed by Billups? or Prince went off for 31? no. It's this way throughout the NBA - there are a lot of empty ppg averages. How many games last year did Joe Johnson win for the Hawks? Not many. How about Paul Pierce on the Celtics? I don't think ppg has much to do with a team's winning or not winning. it's more about T/os, assists, shooting percentage, rebounds, etc.

One good thing caused by Curry's offense is that it hypothetically opens up the perimeter game for our guards - who are playing horribly most nights so it's hard to tell. It also seems like it gets the other team in foul trouble, Curry's shot 12 free throws or so a game for 5 straight. that's valuable, too.
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12/2/2006  12:49 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I think KG scored a bunch of 20 point games last season in a ton of losses. He sucks. He is fat. He is lazy. Is that how it goes?

That's a very poor retort and you should feel ashamed even gringing Garnett into this discussion. Shall we look at everything else KG does that Curry doesn't? Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise? You see 2 can play that game. KG gives double digit rebounding, 2blks, and 4-5ast and he's done this almost 10yrs straight and started after his 3rd yr in the league.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 11:31 AM]

Its the same kind of hatred based retort that you have often.



No it's not and no different than your constant goofing on Zeke. What I don't like is during Zeke's regime he's giving certain players entitlements and now it appears to be Curry. Zeke never mentions anything about Curry's pathetic display on the defensive end(lack of rebounding, blks, etc etc) he's only concerned with stroking Curry's confidence offensively. You could play musical chairs with about 4 players on this team to anchor the offense. Should it not be Curry? No I don't disagree that it should. It should be an earned right. Crawford is currently the leading scorer on this team.

BTW in the Knicks wins Crawford's scoring average is the exact same as Curry's.
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12/2/2006  12:53 PM
There are much worse problems on this team rather than Curry not rebounding. Youre right, Curry cant block shots or rebound. He can be dominant in the post. Thats who he is.
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12/2/2006  12:56 PM
Posted by nixluva:

The main point is that it's better for the team to have Curry's 20, cuz it's more efficient and it causes more negatives for the other team. It distorts their defense, so that they have to double of cheat into the paint. This leads to easier plays for our other players who now can go against a distracted defender. It leads to more fouls and our team getting into the penalty earlier. It helps us to be a team that passes more and thus we tend to have better team play, than when our guards are going one on one or one on five.



I agree with this but only with gaurded accountability on both ends. You can't find 1 big man in this league that the offense is acnhored on that doesn't provide compatible play on the other side of the ball.
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12/2/2006  12:57 PM
Posted by izybx:

There are much worse problems on this team rather than Curry not rebounding. Youre right, Curry cant block shots or rebound. He can be dominant in the post. Thats who he is.

I don't see what could be more problematic than having your 10million dollar center not rebound or play defense.
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by izybx:

There are much worse problems on this team rather than Curry not rebounding. Youre right, Curry cant block shots or rebound. He can be dominant in the post. Thats who he is.

I don't see what could be more problematic than having your 10million dollar center not rebound or play defense.

Watch Marbury get outplayed by every person on our team and say that.

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12/2/2006  1:05 PM
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Posted by izybx:

There are much worse problems on this team rather than Curry not rebounding. Youre right, Curry cant block shots or rebound. He can be dominant in the post. Thats who he is.

I don't see what could be more problematic than having your 10million dollar center not rebound or play defense.


This was one of Larry's biggest let downs with the team. Remember last yr we kept hearing how the players wanted a faster pace and Larry said this can never happen until the teams improves it's interior rebounding. He was mainly referring to Curry and Frye. With Frye's injury this yr Lee has been inserted into the starting line-up and has improved this situation somewhat. Curry's still mediocre as ever rebounding even though he's staying on the court for longer stretches. The team is supposed to be more uptempo yet what do we see?
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12/2/2006  1:10 PM
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by izybx:

There are much worse problems on this team rather than Curry not rebounding. Youre right, Curry cant block shots or rebound. He can be dominant in the post. Thats who he is.

I don't see what could be more problematic than having your 10million dollar center not rebound or play defense.


This was one of Larry's biggest let downs with the team. Remember last yr we kept hearing how the players wanted a faster pace and Larry said this can never happen until the teams improves it's interior rebounding. He was mainly referring to Curry and Frye. With Frye's injury this yr Lee has been inserted into the starting line-up and has improved this situation somewhat. Curry's still mediocre as ever rebounding even though he's staying on the court for longer stretches. The team is supposed to be more uptempo yet what do we see?

The Knicks consistently outrebound their opponents this season.

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12/2/2006  1:16 PM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by izybx:

There are much worse problems on this team rather than Curry not rebounding. Youre right, Curry cant block shots or rebound. He can be dominant in the post. Thats who he is.

I don't see what could be more problematic than having your 10million dollar center not rebound or play defense.

Watch Marbury get outplayed by every person on our team and say that.

I agree Marbury is getting outplayed by every person on the team but thats not the biggest problem. Marbury is nearing 30 and he's got 2 years on his contract left after this year so he'll be gone soon. Curry on the other hand is going to be with this team for a long time and he's being paid a lot of money for being a center who doesn't rebound or play defense. I see that as a huge problem.
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by izybx:

There are much worse problems on this team rather than Curry not rebounding. Youre right, Curry cant block shots or rebound. He can be dominant in the post. Thats who he is.

I don't see what could be more problematic than having your 10million dollar center not rebound or play defense.

Watch Marbury get outplayed by every person on our team and say that.

I agree Marbury is getting outplayed by every person on the team but thats not the biggest problem. Marbury is nearing 30 and he's got 2 years on his contract left after this year so he'll be gone soon. Curry on the other hand is going to be with this team for a long time and he's being paid a lot of money for being a center who doesn't rebound or play defense. I see that as a huge problem.

For the duration of Marbury's contract he will paid about as much as Curry will be paid for the remaining years on his contract. Curry is a problem, but he has an upside. And as i said before in another thread, how many players have you seen improve after the age of 23? I have hope...

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