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Seanc3
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11/28/2006  11:47 PM
For the best point gourd in the NBA tonight.

Nate should have been in for him in the 4th.
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11/28/2006  11:49 PM
we just don't have the right coach, system or players for steph. otherwise he's a superstar.
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11/29/2006  3:50 AM
Nate definitely should have been playing in the 4th. I think IT wanted to give Marbury a chance to prove himself, so he stuck with him. Moreover, IT saw the backlash in the media when he sat Marbury and knows Marbury cannot handle the negativity, so he is trying to give him a longer leash. The fact remains that we need Marbury to play well, so I cannot say I disagree with allowing him a little room to try to pull his game together, but this cannot go on for much longer. Marbury needs to find his groove within the next few games or the team needs to move on without him.
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11/29/2006  7:59 AM
Posted by TheGame:

Nate definitely should have been playing in the 4th. I think IT wanted to give Marbury a chance to prove himself, so he stuck with him. Moreover, IT saw the backlash in the media when he sat Marbury and knows Marbury cannot handle the negativity, so he is trying to give him a longer leash. The fact remains that we need Marbury to play well, so I cannot say I disagree with allowing him a little room to try to pull his game together, but this cannot go on for much longer. Marbury needs to find his groove within the next few games or the team needs to move on without him.


With all we've seen from this guy over the past 2 years, let alone his entire 11 year career, even if he does up his game for a spell, can you ever really trust this guy again?

I certainly can't. I saw through the facade as early as our playoffs vs the Nets, and then the olympics. By the time he declared himself "the best" and the team quit on him his fate was sealed.

Any other coach would have been looking to move marbury before the season began. This coach just happens to be inextricably tied to him and the moving of him is probably tantamount to a concession speech or resignation.

So we continue to wait for Steph to have a productive spell to delay the inevitable and to give us false hope.
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11/29/2006  8:00 AM
Didn't Nate jack up a couple of threes while he was in there? He didn't play after that.
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11/29/2006  9:32 AM
This is a cautionary tale: Listen to your coaches. Even if you hate them. Especially if they are a hall of fame coach known for turning around the careers of PG's. Or a hall of fame playing PG. Always listen. Don't wait ten years to start listening. Listen at an early age.
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11/29/2006  9:48 AM
Posted by TheGame:

Nate definitely should have been playing in the 4th. I think IT wanted to give Marbury a chance to prove himself, so he stuck with him. Moreover, IT saw the backlash in the media when he sat Marbury and knows Marbury cannot handle the negativity, so he is trying to give him a longer leash. The fact remains that we need Marbury to play well, so I cannot say I disagree with allowing him a little room to try to pull his game together, but this cannot go on for much longer. Marbury needs to find his groove within the next few games or the team needs to move on without him.


While MarbBashing is more fun than watching him, I'd have to agree that our only chance is to play thru this. Yes, even some haters understand that releasing PooBury is just not that simple and getting his mojo back is important to the team.

If in fact Poisonbury is losing it, he must be given the opportunity to prove himself either worthy, or face the reality of his situation. Humility will either bury him or make him work harder. Just verbally letting Starbury out of the bag does not make for a change. That is just plain arrogant.

THat, or the shoes really do suck!
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11/29/2006  9:56 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

This is a cautionary tale: Listen to your coaches. Even if you hate them. Especially if they are a hall of fame coach known for turning around the careers of PG's. Or a hall of fame playing PG. Always listen. Don't wait ten years to start listening. Listen at an early age.


ANd Lenny Wilkens, a HOF coach and POINT GUARD.

WE have fed him now 3 coaches with cred he should never to have questioned. Actually, Phil Ford a College HOF player (in my opinion of the the top5 Collge PG's of all time!!!!) is also available to him. If we read between the lines Isiah has tried to round him out as a human being and as a basketball player. I understand Marbury comes from the rough side of the street and has more street in him than most players, but its ok to evolve and grow. Especially as a basketball player!

Eating HOF coaches and point guards (larry was all time assist leader for the ABA and allstar) because your contract allows you to is plain stupid.
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11/29/2006  1:10 PM
Oh, was Larry Brown a HOF coach? And a point guard? He played in the ABA?
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11/29/2006  1:20 PM
we make love to pressure
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11/29/2006  1:42 PM
Posted by Elite:

we make love to pressure


like a premature ejaculator
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11/29/2006  3:10 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Elite:

we make love to pressure


like a premature ejaculator

LOL
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11/29/2006  3:56 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Elite:

we make love to pressure


like a premature ejaculator

LOL

Yeah, that was pretty funny.
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11/29/2006  4:39 PM
For his entire career, evaluating Marbury has been pretty simple:

Positives:

-great stop & start quickness on offense, almost like a great running back in football
-very strong finisher
-average shooter
-gathers assists, but more a result of the ball being in his hands so much & the defense's necessary committment to defending him (given his scoring talents)

Negatives:

-lousy teammate, no leadership ability
-poor, almost indifferent defender
-head & heart for the game very much questionable
-not a winner

Last night, it occurred to me. The negatives are of course there (with bells on!!).

But the positives have gone away big time. He doesn't blow by people anymore & certainly cannot finish at the hoop amongst the trees. Offensively, he's not even in the Chucky Atkins/Troy Hudson category anymore. So he's either unassertive or.....whenever he finds it convenient enough to try to assert himself, he becomes a very inefficient offensive player. He's gotten old or just plain sh!tty (at 29) overnight. Every conceivable stat has massively declined.
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11/29/2006  4:51 PM
Posted by purple012870:

For his entire career, evaluating Marbury has been pretty simple:

Positives:

-great stop & start quickness on offense, almost like a great running back in football
-very strong finisher
-average shooter
-gathers assists, but more a result of the ball being in his hands so much & the defense's necessary committment to defending him (given his scoring talents)

Negatives:

-lousy teammate, no leadership ability
-poor, almost indifferent defender
-head & heart for the game very much questionable
-not a winner

Last night, it occurred to me. The negatives are of course there (with bells on!!).

But the positives have gone away big time. He doesn't blow by people anymore & certainly cannot finish at the hoop amongst the trees. Offensively, he's not even in the Chucky Atkins/Troy Hudson category anymore. So he's either unassertive or.....whenever he finds it convenient enough to try to assert himself, he becomes a very inefficient offensive player. He's gotten old or just plain sh!tty (at 29) overnight. Every conceivable stat has massively declined.

could it be effort, though? like everyone thinking vince was done, tehn he busted loose in jersey. could amrbury really just be mailing it in rather than physically unable?
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11/29/2006  4:58 PM
Maybe. He just doesn't look that explosive to me anymore. Like all of the sudden, he has hops like Charlie Ward.

I mean, there are guys that don't give maximum effort that flash the athleticism. I don't even see flashes of the guy we got 3 years ago. Its like when Roy Jones Jr. went from a dominant fighter to extremely hittable so quickly.
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11/30/2006  8:19 AM
I know Crawford has his shot happy times which are infuriating. At least, he's got upside out there. He can win quarters all by himself (like last night). Also, he's at least an average defender, probably slightly better than average with his long arms (he's blocked some shots, played the passing lanes nicely).

All things considered, he ought to get a significant amount of Marbury's minutes.
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11/30/2006  9:11 AM
Well, Marbury makes mistakes, but I actually think his defense has improved. It at least seems to me that he is giving more effort. I don't think he has lost his ability, I think it is all mental. He needs to just pull his mind together and get aggressive on offense. He tried to be more agreesive last night with mixed results.
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