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11/28/2006  1:09 PM
Paying a steep price
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
November 28, 2006

NEW YORK – As losers go, Stephon Marbury rates among the biggest in basketball history. Everyone kept waiting for him to change, but he never did. And never will. To find a presence as eroding as Marbury, one as self-absorbed and cynical and a better bet to suck the selflessness out of a locker room, is downright impossible.

"A walking rain cloud," an ex-teammate once described him to me.

This isn't much of a revelation in the league, but Isiah Thomas is finding out the hard way about the corrosive consequences of coaching Marbury. After a decade in the NBA, Marbury still refers to a mythical third person, a character of some sort, named "Starbury." For two years with the New York Knicks, when things aren't going his way, he keeps promising Starbury's return to the court.

Around New York, this isn't considered a promise as much it is a threat.

Suddenly, Thomas no longer is Marbury's front office savior but rather another coach wrongly imprisoning his greatness. Marbury responded to his reduced minutes by refusing to take a shot last Saturday night against the Chicago Bulls, something of a hunger strike by a fat man.

The Knicks have lost 10 of 15 games to start the season, Steve Francis' knees are shot, and Marbury is holding true to character. His is forever the disposition of the angry young man, a rebel with only one cause: his own. There was Marbury on the bench for the fourth quarter Saturday, framed with the classic pose of the failed franchise player – draping a towel over his head, refusing to cheer teammates and moping to the bitter buzzer.

Thomas swapped short-term maximum contracts for longer ones, stacking them higher and higher, a shell game that's left him with a dysfunctional backcourt of Starbury and Stevie Franchise.

These are two broken-down guards who ought to serve as cautionary tales for owners and executives contemplating the doling out of max deals. Delivered to the wrong players, they're crippling to franchises. With the wrong players, you're held hostage.

Here are the rules of awarding max-out contracts. Your $90 to $100 million man must do one of two things, if not preferably both.

Win championships.

Or sell tickets.

Tim Duncan wins titles. Vince Carter sells tickets. Kobe Bryant does both.

Now, you don't have to win a championship. You just have to be capable with the right coach and the right teammates. Jason Kidd is a championship-level player, but Kenyon Martin was a max-out bust before his knee ever blew up this month.

New Jersey Nets president Rod Thorn never wanted to indulge Martin's max-contract desires in 2004, believing he never fit the profile. "[The max deal] was meant for the Shaqs, the Garnetts, the Kidds," Thorn said.

They belong to All-World players, not All-Stars.

As the Knicks have discovered in the locker room, when you give not only that money but also that clout to a bad act, you never stop paying the price. From his days with the Nets until now, Marbury has divided locker rooms and crushed chemistry. The max-out is the purest form of street cred on the court because that's how management and players keep score. In the wrong hands, it's pure destruction. For better or worse, it's the truest captaincy.

So now, Marbury is feigning confusion over Thomas' pass-first directives, the way he did under the deposed Larry Brown. Somehow, he doesn't understand his coach's orders unless it includes 20 shots a night for him.

Isiah deserves Starbury, deserves him to the end. To start holding him accountable – declaring as Thomas did Monday that there will be "consequences" for Marbury failing to follow his coach's orders – is far too late in the president's failed New York regime to find religion with him.

From the time he traded for and extended Marbury's contract in January 2004, Thomas has enabled the guard's petulant act through coach after coach. Having gone to the bench, he has discovered the truth: There's no winning with the ball in Starbury's hands, with a franchise's fortunes flowing through him.

Thomas' coaching run with the Knicks promises to end the way it long has been destined to end: collapsing under the weight of his contracts, under the excesses of his own ego. The Knicks could've survived with Marbury's max contract, but Thomas paraded some of the worst modern max-out deals in NBA history through Madison Square Garden – Penny Hardaway and Antonio Davis, Steve Francis and Jalen Rose – and the Knicks never recovered.

Detroit Pistons general manager Joe Dumars still hasn't awarded a max contract, but he won the 2004 NBA championship and made it to a Game 7 a year later. This year, he refused to overpay to keep Ben Wallace, a move that is looking shrewder and shrewder. Next summer, Dumars has suggested that Chauncey Billups, an NBA Finals MVP, is worthy of that ultimate Pistons investment. Billups probably will come in just south of a max-out, but the Pistons won't lose him.

Once, Pistons owner Bill Davidson had a chance to hire Thomas. Davidson decided to wait for Thomas' backcourt mate, Dumars, to retire and pass the franchise over to him. As construction of contenders goes, those old Detroit Bad Boys stand in complete contrast.

For now, Thomas is trying to take bows for the earnest complementary cast he has assembled through the draft, including David Lee, Nate Robinson and Renaldo Balkman. Only, they have no one to complement. Thomas ultimately is doomed for the hundreds of millions of dollars invested in his flawed core.

Still, it started with Starbury. Thomas will get what he deserves from his franchise player, his chosen one, and it's been a long time coming: A maxed-out hell of a winter punctuated with a one-way ticket out of the Garden.
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11/28/2006  1:11 PM
"A walking rain cloud" wow.. that about sums it up
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11/28/2006  1:13 PM
[New Jersey Nets president Rod Thorn never wanted to indulge Martin's max-contract desires in 2004, believing he never fit the profile. "[The max deal] was meant for the Shaqs, the Garnetts, the Kidds," Thorn said.

beautiful words.
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11/28/2006  1:24 PM
does marbury truly think he is going out on top?

Can somebody explain what is truly going through his mind?

Atleast Houston put up points and effort...

I'm crying inside for marbury.
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11/28/2006  1:25 PM
Supposedly Steph and Zeke will be speaking to the press about their situation. Word out of Chicago is that it's not looking good.
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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11/28/2006  1:33 PM
I need more...what do you mean? is this a tongue (sp?) in cheek post or are you serious?
Posted by SeatsBlue:

Supposedly Steph and Zeke will be speaking to the press about their situation. Word out of Chicago is that it's not looking good.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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11/28/2006  1:40 PM
In the era of media caution surrounding the team, you won't hear it, but its telling body language and on court actions speak for themselves.

ITs bad when defying Marbury makes Isiah also look bad, and yet he still needs to do it.

Isiah throwing Marbury under the bus might have really caught him buy surprise and he can't deal with nobody having his back anymore.

Somewhere in Philly, Larry is still counting his $35.5 million for one year of dealing with this team.
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11/28/2006  1:41 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

I need more...what do you mean? is this a tongue (sp?) in cheek post or are you serious?
Posted by SeatsBlue:

Supposedly Steph and Zeke will be speaking to the press about their situation. Word out of Chicago is that it's not looking good.

ditto, I'd like to know too.
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11/28/2006  1:47 PM
From the time he traded for and extended Marbury's contract in January 2004, Thomas has enabled the guard's petulant act through coach after coach. Having gone to the bench, he has discovered the truth: There's no winning with the ball in Starbury's hands, with a franchise's fortunes flowing through him.

that doesn't make sense.
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11/28/2006  1:49 PM
make an example of him, no way he wants to sit the rest of his career, let him opt out of his deal, boo him every time he enters the game, sooner or later he is going to snap
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11/28/2006  1:56 PM
Posted by martin:
From the time he traded for and extended Marbury's contract in January 2004, Thomas has enabled the guard's petulant act through coach after coach. Having gone to the bench, he has discovered the truth: There's no winning with the ball in Starbury's hands, with a franchise's fortunes flowing through him.

that doesn't make sense.

yes it does. IT is responsible not only for the knicks' mess, but also every other bad front office decision in the league the last 5-10 years.

it is not news that the knicks have always overpaid for players. it's just gotten so egregious under IT, taking it to whole new levels and keeping the revolving door of overpaid players thru NYC spinning.
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11/28/2006  2:02 PM
Good article overall. Hard to argue with the man now, despite the factul innacuracy martin points out.

We're gonna probably be stuck with them (Marbury and Francis) until their contracts are over, and hopefully this year the Bulls stay bad enough that we can keep a decently placed pick, and next year we also get a high pick and one of our yougnins turns into a star. That's a lot of hopin, but what else can we do now?

btw, I didn't know Francis' knees were "shot?" Is that really true? I actually also have more faith in Steve than Stephon these days as well.
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11/28/2006  2:06 PM
Posted by martin:
From the time he traded for and extended Marbury's contract in January 2004, Thomas has enabled the guard's petulant act through coach after coach. Having gone to the bench, he has discovered the truth: There's no winning with the ball in Starbury's hands, with a franchise's fortunes flowing through him.

that doesn't make sense.
was about to post that. Marbury signed that max deal w/ Pho and Colengelo. It doesnt really change the fact that it was still a monumental mistake bringing him here.

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11/28/2006  4:44 PM
Whoa this article turned into the Knick hater parade
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11/28/2006  11:30 PM
Posted by izybx:

Whoa this article turned into the Knick hater parade

This is nothing to do with Knicks. This is about IT, Marbs, and Steve
These guys have nothing to do with Knicks.
O sorry they do - they are the Knicks biggest enemies.
Any fan who likes this trio is the REAL KNICK HATER...
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11/28/2006  11:38 PM
I've never turned on a player as much as I've turned on Marbury. his first calendar year here, I thought he was the cat's meow. second calendar year I was wondering if I was crazy. this last year has been unbearable. what a cancer.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 28-11-2006 11:38 PM]
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11/28/2006  11:40 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

I've never turned on a player as much as I've turned on Marbury. his first calendar year here, I thought he was the cat's meow. second calendar year I was wondering if I was crazy. this last year has been unbearable. what a cancer.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 28-11-2006 11:38 PM]


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11/29/2006  12:41 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

I've never turned on a player as much as I've turned on Marbury. his first calendar year here, I thought he was the cat's meow. second calendar year I was wondering if I was crazy. this last year has been unbearable. what a cancer.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 28-11-2006 11:38 PM]

Imagine what the last 3 years must have felt like for people, like myself, that knew that he was a cancer the second the trade was announced?

Now imagine the same thing with Isiah.
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11/29/2006  1:19 AM
I was excited when Marbury came. I was frustrated with Ward, Childs, and the second version of Mark Jax. I gave him the benefit of the doubt for awhile but soon became tired of him. I knew the type of player that he was. I used to post on njo and just bust on net fans about Marbury, Calipari, Van horn etc. In hindsight it all goes back to Steph.
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Posted by CrushAlot:

I was excited when Marbury came. I was frustrated with Ward, Childs, and the second version of Mark Jax. I gave him the benefit of the doubt for awhile but soon became tired of him. I knew the type of player that he was. I used to post on njo and just bust on net fans about Marbury, Calipari, Van horn etc. In hindsight it all goes back to Steph.

Correction, it goes back to the person who acquired Steph. It's going to be great giving up another lottery pick for that trade after both Steph and Isiah are gone.
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