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A Step Slower, Marbury May Serve the Knicks Best on the Bench (article)
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11/28/2006  10:00 AM
BY JOHN HOLLINGER
November 28, 2006
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/44201

Ah, the best laid plans.

Before the season, pro basketball teams usually have a good idea of which players will carry the mail, how the playing rotation will work, and what type of identity the team will have. But sometimes, when the regular season starts, all that goes out the window.

Take the Knicks, for instance. They expected to keep themselves in the playoff race this season largely on the backs of three key players — Stephon Marbury, Channing Frye, and Eddy Curry. Three weeks into the season, the performance of that trio has ranged somewhere between "bad" and "disastrous."

Curry has failed to score at his usual high clip but still is making three turnovers a game and playing nonexistent defense. Isiah Thomas has complained that the officials don't give Curry any respect, but he might do better to focus on Curry's habit of running over the nearest defender instead of going around him.

Frye's struggles have been even more baffling. After a strong freshman campaign in which he made the All-Rookie Team despite being randomly yanked in and out of the lineup by Larry Brown, Frye looked to have a breakout year as the starting power forward. Instead, he's struggled to get going offensively, mostly settling for long jumpers and shooting at a 37.9% clip. Defensively, he's been even worse, and now he'll be out for several weeks after spraining his ankle over the weekend.

Then there's Marbury. The Knicks' best player during his previous two and a half seasons in Gotham has been nothing of the sort in 2006–07. His performance has slipped so badly that Isiah Thomas has sent him to the pine in recent games. In Saturday's loss to Chicago, Marbury never got off the bench in the second half after failing to attempt a shot in 19 ineffective firsthalf minutes. Five days earlier he was yanked a minute into the second half of a three-point, four-turnover outing against the Rockets.

On the season, Marbury is shooting 40.3% and averaging a career-low 10.1 points a game. The Knicks even tried benching Steve Francis in an effort to get Marbury going — theorizing that the two made a bad pair in the backcourt — but that's only seemed to make Marbury play worse. His usual fearless drives to the basket have been few and far between, a puzzling development given that he's supposed to be the focal point of the offense — especially given the free reign the league has granted quick guards the past few years.

Which gets back to the major question: Is Marbury still a quick guard? Marbury says he's playing the way Isiah Thomas asks him to and that on some of these nights the shots haven't been there for him, but Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, and Steve Francis haven't seemed to have trouble creating offense. More than one observer has mentioned that Marbury looks a bit heavy and a step slow, which is tolerable if you're built like Shaquille O'Neal but devastating if you're dependent on blowing by people for a living.

Unfortunately, this points out yet one more oversight Isiah Thomas made in composing his roster. It's clear he erred in gathering four guards who all do the same thing, because it makes it harder for each to do his job. But the other problem with acquiring players like Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury has to do with their age and contracts.

Marbury turns 30 on February 20, while Francis hits the milestone a day later. This need not be a death knell for their careers; just look at what Steve Nash has done in his early 30s. But history tells us that certain types of players tend to age better than others. What it tells us, in particular, is that players who depend on their quickness tend to diminish much faster than players who depend on their size or shooting skill, because speed's the first thing to go once mother nature starts getting her cuts in.

Unfortunately, Marbury and Francis fit the exact profile of the players who tend to diminish the most in their late 20s and early 30s. Thus, when Thomas acquired these two he was essentially buying into a declining commodity. Both players are signed for the maximum for two seasons beyond this one, but each has tailed off at an alarming rate the past few seasons.

Using my Player Efficiency Rating (PER, a per-minute rating of a player's statistical effectiveness), we can see the decline. As the chart shows, each player played at an All-Star level in 2002–03, when they both turned 26 during the season. From there, Francis was the first to decline, suffering what was thought to be an "off-year" in Houston in 2003-04 but was actually a sign of what was to come.

Both players got a little boost when the defense rules changed in 2004-05, giving greater freedom to penetrating guards like these two, but now that looks like a mere blip in the overall trend. While Francis seems to have leveled off a bit at his current level of production with a PER in the high-teens, Marbury's decline the past two seasons has been jarring. Last year we thought it was Larry Brown, but this year Marbury has played even worse for a coach who couldn't possibly be more in his corner.

It's shown in the Knicks' play, too, as New York is scoring a whopping 17.6 points per 100 possessions, according to 82games.com, worse with Marbury on the court. This isn't all on Marbury obviously — the starting unit as a whole has been a train wreck, Quentin Richardson aside — but it points out how much better the Knicks have looked with Crawford and Robinson on the floor.

And perhaps it also shows a silver lining in all this. Yes, the Knicks have looked terrible, but the East has been so bad that they're still in the Atlantic Division title race. Further, New York could get a leg up by reassigning minutes to its most productive players. Even with the recent benchings, Marbury is third on the team in minutes, seeing much more action than more productive players like Robinson and Francis.

So maybe it's time for Isiah to complete his backcourt reshuffle by making Marbury's seat on the bench a more permanent one — demoting him to the fourth guard, basically. This would be a huge distraction and would set off tabloid mania around the city, but it also would get the Knicks' most productive guards on the court. Add in the boost that should come from giving Frye's minutes to the vastly more productive David Lee, and it's possible the Knicks could play much better than they've shown thus far.

Sure, abandoning the focal point of the offense a month into the season is an odd way to pursue a playoff spot, but strange things happen once the season starts. All the evidence points to a changing of the guard, so to speak, at the Garden. Perhaps it will change the results, too.

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11/28/2006  10:08 AM
Applaud this man
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11/28/2006  10:25 AM
This is the point that many dont get. Marbury keeps saying he has to go back to being "Starbury" but he has slowed not 1 but 2 steps in the last 2 years. Thats not a Marbury bash. We are all human. He has aged and he has had injuries. In his prime this guy not only had speed but could dunk off an alley oop. He used to be one of the fastest players in the NBA. Now I doubt he is even one of the 3 fastest Knicks. He just isnt the same player physically. He has a lot of miles on those wheels.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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11/28/2006  10:27 AM
I can't see Isiah turning Stephon into a bench player... unless he wants him gone.

By putting him on a bench, Marbury will go nuts and break team rules. He'll then be suspended by the team, and traded to whatever team needs a boost for the playoffs.
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11/28/2006  10:33 AM
Marbury will do what he has to do. Marbury is all about "team". It's just that his teams, and his coaches, always let him down.
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11/28/2006  10:37 AM
Berman should read this guys article to learn a few things!

Steph will be more problems than we could handle coming off the bench. Trade him! And I don't want to hear any of this he can't be moved cause of his contract crap! ANYBODY can be moved!
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11/28/2006  10:44 AM
I dont know if he really lost a step.. but he definately lost his confidence. And thats huge
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11/28/2006  10:55 AM
yep, he has definitely lost his confidence, he used to be the player that took the last shot (crawford now) and got the crowd into it (see nate) and was the focal point of the offense (curry/frye) and the energy of the garden (lee).

Now he's just another player from new york trying to find his role on the team.

One thing if for sure...if he scores and assists and doesn't turn the ball over, the knicks will win.

if he plays like he has been playing, can anyone really blame isiah?
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11/28/2006  11:03 AM
You can tell a player has lost his step when he struggles to make layups and gets his shot blocked or stripped when penetrating. This tends to be happening quite often with Confidencebury.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-28-2006 10:05 AM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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11/28/2006  11:17 AM
he's already untradeable..I can't see why you wouldn't bench him at this point. It's not like the fans are going to the Garden to see him
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11/28/2006  11:17 AM
yep, he has definitely lost his confidence, he used to be the player that took the last shot (crawford now) and got the crowd into it (see nate) and was the focal point of the offense (curry/frye) and the energy of the garden (lee).

great point. as much as he's complained about teammates at times in the past, or had other people use it as an excuse for him, he has thrived under those conditions where he is a one man show. not a formula that works for winning teams, though. let's hope what you brought up can be part of one.
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11/28/2006  12:34 PM
in my opinion, marbury was brought here to score 20 and get 8 assists, his contract is being paid for that exact production.

If he can't get that in this offense, he sits, because we are getting that from francis and nate and crawford.

If you aren't producing (either in the stat sheet or on the floor in passion points [see lee and balkman]) then you have to sit, it just doesn't make sense to even be on the floor if you aren't contributing.

Is that not what we were all taught as players/fans of the game?

you suck you sit...especially in basketball...you can hide the worst player in baseball (right field) and football (oline/full back/tight end) but in basketball, all 5 players have to contribute or sit.

why does marbury think his production warrants he be on the floor...well, actually, if you read his quotes, I think even he realizes no shots, no points and 4 turnovers means you ride the pine.
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11/28/2006  12:42 PM
was marbury ever the player who took the last shot? I dont remember him ever taking a last shot except for that fling he made with phoenix in the playoffs
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11/28/2006  12:50 PM
Posted by Elite:

was marbury ever the player who took the last shot? I dont remember him ever taking a last shot except for that fling he made with phoenix in the playoffs


early on in his career w/MIN & NJ i think he was more of a crunchtime player... he's never been that in his time w/the Knicks, that's for sure.
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11/28/2006  1:35 PM
he definitely had the ball in his hands that first half year...I shattered my 3 foot binger (it was like slow motion) when houston hit the jumper off of the marbury feed.

[Edited by - babyknicks on 11-28-2006 1:36 PM]
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11/28/2006  1:42 PM
I am seriously convinced its those ****ing shoes he is wearing i just tried on a pair and they are the most uncomfortable shoes i have ever put on. Not a very flexible shoe, might be taking a little quickness away
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11/28/2006  2:10 PM
when he had an open jay and he passed it to lee at the top of the key for lee to take the open shot, that's when I was convinced he's refusing to shoot.

either he's scared or he's making a point, but either way, he had to be benched.

He hits that shot and the fans go nuts, he misses, lee cleans up his mess as usual.

But you gotta shoot the open shot, regardless of salary...you can hit the shot from the elbow much better than our PF/C/SF with no midrange game in his second year.

Unless he was sick.
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11/28/2006  2:31 PM
Posted by MS:

I am seriously convinced its those ****ing shoes he is wearing i just tried on a pair and they are the most uncomfortable shoes i have ever put on. Not a very flexible shoe, might be taking a little quickness away


the coaches, the system, the fans... now it's the shoes... Excusebury is the Teflon PG.
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11/28/2006  5:02 PM
I do think Marbury is too big now.....................
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A Step Slower, Marbury May Serve the Knicks Best on the Bench (article)

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