Travla,

I think the key has been while marbury has been successful as a scoring guard, his teams don't win enough. If surrounding talent was the problem, then its acceptable to allow your "star" to go off. But since he dominates the ball there is little room for others to get involved.

The key point is not to have broken him, but to EVOLVE him into a more complete player. To have that abilty to take over a game is important but to keep some in reserve and knowing when to get others involved is very important.

He was given many chances and those chances have broken him, not the other way around. He is not a clutch player and its possible that at his age he has lost half a step. Many players compensate by refining fundamentals and adding components to their game. It appears that he has not done that so he is not succeeding in playing off the ball or passing off early.

When you sign a max contract, proclaim youself the best and don't live up to either, then its not pretty.

The other thing is you should be nice to people when you rise cuz you never know who your going to see on your way down! His surly attitude is catching up to him.

His ego is massive and this must be killing him. Its possible he still remains immature and spoiled and at 30 has yet to feel the humility that many people experience in their 20's. Lets face it, earning 100 mil and the world (his world) has been kissing his ass for years now. While I understand Isiah has been trying to mentor him in this respects, its possible he has misunderstood the message.

This could be Isiahs biggest failure actually. Trying to be a big brother to Marbury and not getting a real response. Selling cheap sneakers to help struggling families might make you a better person, but it don't do a thing on the court.

And that is where the "court" of public opinion matters most. He is paid 20 mil to succeed as the leader of this basketball team and has failed miserably in that regard.

i just think he's thinking (if that's possible) too much and is basically thinking his way off of the knicks.

at this point, I'm done with people that don't perform...he's putting up numbers that dwarf nate and crawford and currently francis and it's time for him to put up or shut up.

I appreciate the responses. I have never been a Marbs fan per se, I have been a Knicks fan for a long time and I have never liked every player on a given team but I always want the players to play as best they can. Like any good fan, as long as he's on this team, I want him and the team to play well. Maybe he's lost a step or two, maybe he's just lost but I hope he gets it before too long.

Posted by babyKnicks:

i just think he's thinking (if that's possible) too much and is basically thinking his way off of the knicks.

at this point, I'm done with people that don't perform...he's putting up numbers that dwarf nate and crawford and currently francis and it's time for him to put up or shut up.

How about taking that one step further and being done with guys that have NEVER performed, even if YOU NEED A CENTER.

This is why you avoid guys that have the same problems everywhere they go... there's a pretty good chance they will have those same problems with you.