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11/27/2006  7:08 PM
Marbury Still Not Sure How To Play

Whether it's Thomas or Brown as coach, Marbury still not sure how to play
By BRIAN MAHONEY, AP Basketball Writer
November 27, 2006

GREENBURGH, N.Y. (AP) -- Stephon Marbury's numbers are down while he tries to figure out exactly what his new coach wants from him.

Sound familiar?

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After 15 games, one thing has become clear about the New York Knicks: Isiah Thomas is determined to be just as tough on Marbury as Larry Brown was.

"If there was any doubt in any player's mind, I'm sure that's clear and been cleared up, and I'll make sure I keep reinforcing what I want," Thomas said Monday. "And make no mistake about it, if I don't get exactly what I want, then there'll be consequences."

For the struggling Marbury, that has meant extended time on the bench in the second half of recent games. He was yanked 65 seconds into the third quarter of last Monday's loss to Houston, then didn't even start the period and hardly played at all in the second half during the first shotless game of his NBA career Saturday night in a loss to Chicago.

Marbury spent most of the half seated with a towel over his head, not even standing to cheer as the Knicks tried to fight back from a big deficit. He sounded disappointed after the game, and both he and Thomas were vague Monday about whether they discussed the matter privately since then.

"He didn't really have to explain, I wasn't getting the job done the other night," Marbury said. "Now it's up to me to basically go on the basketball court and perform the way I'm capable of performing."

The Knicks (5-10) open a three-game trip Tuesday night in Chicago and could be without both starting forwards. Channing Frye is out three to six weeks after spraining his left ankle Saturday, and fellow forward Quentin Richardson is day-to-day with a strained left hamstring.

But just like so many times last season, the focus after practice was on Marbury and his relationship with his coach.

Here's where things get tricky, though: Brown was no fan of Marbury's game even before coming to New York, having coached Marbury with the U.S. Olympic team in 2004. So a feud between the two seemed only a matter of time, and it didn't take them long to deliver.

Thomas and Marbury have a good relationship. Thomas brought Marbury back to his hometown when he acquired him from Phoenix, and the two live nearby in Westchester County. But there's been a change since Thomas added the coaching duties to his role as team president.

"My relationship as a coach is definitely a different relationship as president," Thomas said. "When you're coaching, I don't think there's a player that I've ever coached that hasn't at some point in time not liked me. But that's what coaching's all about."

Marbury said he still believes in Thomas, and it's doubtful he would have said such a thing about Brown. He was surprised to learn the Knicks have the same record through 15 games as they did last season.

But Marbury is playing worse under Thomas than he did under Brown. He is averaging only 10.1 points -- exactly half his career average entering the season -- and Thomas acknowledged Marbury hasn't quite figured out how to best perform in the offense.

"Clearly his play would indicate that, because we know he's a better player than what he's shown," Thomas said. "The challenge for me as a coach is to find a way to make sure that he's involved and he's getting adequate touches and adequate shots that will make a difference. But it definitely has to come in the framework of what we do."

Marbury said he would play more aggressively, and acknowledged he hadn't "been giving what I can give to the team." But Thomas only was interested in getting Marbury to play better, not blaming him for anything.

"It's not about Stephon, it's about the Knicks," Thomas said. "It's never about just one individual. It's about everyone conforming, and we're playing for the Knicks and we're playing as a unit. It's not about the stat sheet, it's about the team. We win together and we lose together."

Updated on Monday, Nov 27, 2006 2:53 pm EST


Amazing. Utterly, down right shockingly amazing. Can we please blame Marbury yet?
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11/27/2006  7:20 PM
Most comical text in the piece is Marbury being shocked the team has the same record under Zeke as they did with Brown.
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11/27/2006  7:32 PM
Where in that article do you seen anything sbout Marbury's attitude? What a misleading thread.
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11/27/2006  7:42 PM
Posted by izybx:

Where in that article do you seen anything sbout Marbury's attitude? What a misleading thread.

I would have said basketball IQ but I didn't want to offend anyone
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11/27/2006  9:09 PM
"If there was any doubt in any player's mind, I'm sure that's clear and been cleared up, and I'll make sure I keep reinforcing what I want," Thomas said Monday. "And make no mistake about it, if I don't get exactly what I want, then there'll be consequences."

"When you're coaching, I don't think there's a player that I've ever coached that hasn't at some point in time not liked me. But that's what coaching's all about."


I'm sure Chaney, Wilkens and especially Larry would have liked to have heard that from Isiah instead of him always taking Marbury's side.

Why wasn't Isiah talking tough like that last year backing up Brown when Starbury when acting even worse than this? But no, it was Larry sabotaging things, not Isiah and not the players.
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11/27/2006  9:13 PM
Posted by islesfan:

"If there was any doubt in any player's mind, I'm sure that's clear and been cleared up, and I'll make sure I keep reinforcing what I want," Thomas said Monday. "And make no mistake about it, if I don't get exactly what I want, then there'll be consequences."

"When you're coaching, I don't think there's a player that I've ever coached that hasn't at some point in time not liked me. But that's what coaching's all about."


I'm sure Chaney, Wilkens and especially Larry would have liked to have heard that from Isiah instead of him always taking Marbury's side.

Why wasn't Isiah talking tough like that last year backing up Brown when Starbury when acting even worse than this? But no, it was Larry sabotaging things, not Isiah and not the players.

It's called a double standard, bro.
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11/27/2006  10:06 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by islesfan:

"If there was any doubt in any player's mind, I'm sure that's clear and been cleared up, and I'll make sure I keep reinforcing what I want," Thomas said Monday. "And make no mistake about it, if I don't get exactly what I want, then there'll be consequences."

"When you're coaching, I don't think there's a player that I've ever coached that hasn't at some point in time not liked me. But that's what coaching's all about."


I'm sure Chaney, Wilkens and especially Larry would have liked to have heard that from Isiah instead of him always taking Marbury's side.

Why wasn't Isiah talking tough like that last year backing up Brown when Starbury when acting even worse than this? But no, it was Larry sabotaging things, not Isiah and not the players.

It's called a double standard, bro.

You mean like Isiah being able to say these things to the media after crying about how wrong it was for Larry to do it?
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11/28/2006  5:40 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by islesfan:

"If there was any doubt in any player's mind, I'm sure that's clear and been cleared up, and I'll make sure I keep reinforcing what I want," Thomas said Monday. "And make no mistake about it, if I don't get exactly what I want, then there'll be consequences."

"When you're coaching, I don't think there's a player that I've ever coached that hasn't at some point in time not liked me. But that's what coaching's all about."


I'm sure Chaney, Wilkens and especially Larry would have liked to have heard that from Isiah instead of him always taking Marbury's side.

Why wasn't Isiah talking tough like that last year backing up Brown when Starbury when acting even worse than this? But no, it was Larry sabotaging things, not Isiah and not the players.

It's called a double standard, bro.

You mean like Isiah being able to say these things to the media after crying about how wrong it was for Larry to do it?

I love it when people just come to an understanding with each other, no?
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11/28/2006  7:35 AM
I wish Larry had simply benched Marbury and a few others and gone with a core rotation of Nate, Jamal, Ariza (when he was here), Q Woods, Lee, Frye, and Butler. I'm hoping Isiah will like last game (with Ariza and Woods replaced by Q Rich, Steve, and Balkman) but I have a bad feeling that he'll feel too obligated to play higher priced players.
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11/28/2006  7:54 AM
Read my lips

Larry Brown cared about building around himself.

He's gone

Get over it
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11/28/2006  9:06 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Read my lips

Larry Brown cared about building around himself.

He's gone

Get over it

an argument can be made that Isiah has been doing that for over 2 years now. Just more subtle-like.
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11/28/2006  9:19 AM
Martin - at the end of the day, what NBA suit would make a decision that did not support his agenda?

I don't think Isiah is trying to get himself fired.

On the contrary, I think he's trying to assemble the best basketball team available based on what he inherited... which was primarily dreck. Is there any question about that?

C'mon, we're talking 'bout Howard Eisley... not Nate Archibald... Howard Eisley... how silly is that?

"Man, we're talkin' bout Howard Eisley..."

Howard Eisley...

c'mon...


The clock is ticking but there are encouraging signs from players like Balkman, Frye (when healthy) and David Lee. Curry is raw but not the slob of a slug people want to cast him as. Heck, I even like Mardy Collins, just because we could use his size in the backcourt and he seems like a likeable guy.

We have yet to see Jeffries in this mix.

Who knows how his skill set will affect the recipe on the floor?
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11/28/2006  9:31 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Martin - at the end of the day, what NBA suit would make a decision that did not support his agenda?

I don't think Isiah is trying to get himself fired.

On the contrary, I think he's trying to assemble the best basketball team available based on what he inherited... which was primarily dreck. Is there any question about that?

C'mon, we're talking 'bout Howard Eisley... not Nate Archibald... Howard Eisley... how silly is that?

"Man, we're talkin' bout Howard Eisley..."

Howard Eisley...

c'mon...


The clock is ticking but there are encouraging signs from players like Balkman, Frye (when healthy) and David Lee. Curry is raw but not the slob of a slug people want to cast him as. Heck, I even like Mardy Collins, just because we could use his size in the backcourt and he seems like a likeable guy.

We have yet to see Jeffries in this mix.

Who knows how his skill set will affect the recipe on the floor?

the one guy I have been keeping my eye on during games is Curry. That dude is a slob of a slug. I gave him slack last year cause of his heart thing and time off. Not this year. He is showing he doesn't get it.

I would love to see Mardy get minutes, but reality says Franbury and Craw and Nate get theirs first.

Jefferies will add a nice spice to the recipe. Who sits in his place and has their minutes reduced? Frye or Lee at PF? Q, our best 2-way player, at the 3? Or does Q move to the 2-spot and bump Franbury some? Does that also mean that Balkman at the 2/3 will get him minutes cut too?

Man, glad we cut MoT and Jalen.
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