heading into thanksgiving:

last season: 11 games, 76.1 fga's (42%), 18.6 asts, 88.8 pts, giving up 92.1 pts
this season: 13 games, 80.2 fga's (44%), 17.2 asts, 99.1 pts, giving up 102.2 pts

it looks like lb's offense inspired more ball movement and more control, slowing the pace of the game up. while the new "quick" offense is creating more shot attempts but concentrating more on individual 1 on 1 play rather than team involvement.

each point we gained on offense this year, we give up on defense so it's a wash.

now, if we replace a player or two with a more defensive minded one, it may help with the opposing team's ppg, but it will also probably hurt our ppg.

so in essence, this new "quick" offense and lb's offense are resulting in the same ppg differential which explains why the team records are similar (3-8 last year, 4-9 this year)

Posted by djsunyc:

heading into thanksgiving:

last season: 11 games, 76.1 fga's (42%), 18.6 asts, 88.8 pts, giving up 92.1 pts
this season: 13 games, 80.2 fga's (44%), 17.2 asts, 99.1 pts, giving up 102.2 pts

it looks like lb's offense inspired more ball movement and more control, slowing the pace of the game up. while the new "quick" offense is creating more shot attempts but concentrating more on individual 1 on 1 play rather than team involvement.

each point we gained on offense this year, we give up on defense so it's a wash.

now, if we replace a player or two with a more defensive minded one, it may help with the opposing team's ppg, but it will also probably hurt our ppg.

so in essence, this new "quick" offense and lb's offense are resulting in the same ppg differential which explains why the team records are similar (3-8 last year, 4-9 this year)

So in conclusion it falls back on the players as all the HATERS (A.K.A. UK MAFIA OoooooHhhhh BAaaaaBY!) have said for the longest time now. You'd think with the experience each player gained, coupled with the new found freedom, there would be considerable improvement but there isn't. IMO the team has regressed from last yr considering all things.


[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-23-2006 10:20 PM]

Posted by Rich:

But for the last game, the players are playing with a lot more heart for Isiah than they did for the fraud.

if that's the case, and it appears to be, then aren't the #'s for this season even more troubling if you're a fan? if they're going all out now and still losing like this, then shouldn't we be even more concerned?

to be fair...

there was a point last season (after marbury was told to stop dikking around after he tried to show up Brown by dogging the orlando game) where things clicked, and had marbury not gotten hurt, and AD not gotten suspended/traded we don't know how long the good play could have been sustained.

But that being said, i've seen the bottom fall out enough on the marbury/crawford tandem to never trust these guys to sustain solid play. And it seems when they aren't happy no one can be happy. For marbury it's because of his stranglehold on the coach, and for crawford that's because we live and die off his scoring.

one way or another, i expect another eventual uptick in play. i just wont be fooled again.

Posted by SeatsBlue:

Posted by Rich:

But for the last game, the players are playing with a lot more heart for Isiah than they did for the fraud.

I disagree otherwise we wouldn't see the quick pulling of the starters for the bench players. The last few games have proven the players overall are spoiled, non team-goal oriented, passionless, BUMS.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-23-2006 10:34 PM]

That the bench players have been effective and playing with heart (and the team back into games) is more than happened last year.

Posted by Rich:

Posted by SeatsBlue:

Posted by Rich:

But for the last game, the players are playing with a lot more heart for Isiah than they did for the fraud.

I disagree otherwise we wouldn't see the quick pulling of the starters for the bench players. The last few games have proven the players overall are spoiled, non team-goal oriented, passionless, BUMS.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-23-2006 10:34 PM]

That the bench players have been effective and playing with heart (and the team back into games) is more than happened last year.

When LB played the bench players they played hard he just didnt play the young players more. Mo Taylor, and Malik played tough off the bench.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by BlueSeats:

one way or another, i expect another eventual uptick in play. i just wont be fooled again.

december has 11 home games, 3 per week and should have the return of jeffries. so next month is as good as any for the knicks to make a push.

that may be make or break month for isiah. if he can win the fans back he has a chance. if the ineptitude at the garden remains, along with the concomitant hostility form the crowd, dolan will have no choice but to pull the plug. can't have the whole league watching us eat our own.

Posted by Rich:

Posted by SeatsBlue:

Posted by Rich:

Posted by SeatsBlue:

Posted by Rich:

But for the last game, the players are playing with a lot more heart for Isiah than they did for the fraud.

I disagree otherwise we wouldn't see the quick pulling of the starters for the bench players. The last few games have proven the players overall are spoiled, non team-goal oriented, passionless, BUMS.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-23-2006 10:34 PM]

That the bench players have been effective and playing with heart (and the team back into games) is more than happened last year.

When LB played the bench players they played hard he just didnt play the young players more. Mo Taylor, and Malik played tough off the bench.

IMO, that he didn't play the young players on a team going nowhere is a damning indictment.

An indictment on who the person who brought them here.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Rich:

IMO, that he didn't play the young players on a team going nowhere is a damning indictment.

Think isiah, even last year, had no interest in trying to justify his payroll and traded draft picks?

Dont' you think he had a countervailing interest in proving that the players he drafted should get more minutes, and that Curry should have been given the opportunity to play with foul trouble?

Posted by Rich:

Posted by SeatsBlue:

Posted by Rich:

Posted by SeatsBlue:

Posted by Rich:

But for the last game, the players are playing with a lot more heart for Isiah than they did for the fraud.

I disagree otherwise we wouldn't see the quick pulling of the starters for the bench players. The last few games have proven the players overall are spoiled, non team-goal oriented, passionless, BUMS.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-23-2006 10:34 PM]

That the bench players have been effective and playing with heart (and the team back into games) is more than happened last year.

When LB played the bench players they played hard he just didnt play the young players more. Mo Taylor, and Malik played tough off the bench.

IMO, that he didn't play the young players on a team going nowhere is a damning indictment.

Rich, how can you say he LB didn't play the young players. Lee, Nate, Frye - 3 ROOKIES - got minutes compared to the rest of the rookie class. AND they duplicated positions the Knicks has OTHER players worthy of minutes. Your argument doesn't play.

Posted by martin:

Posted by Rich:

Posted by SeatsBlue:

Posted by Rich:

Posted by SeatsBlue:

Posted by Rich:

But for the last game, the players are playing with a lot more heart for Isiah than they did for the fraud.

I disagree otherwise we wouldn't see the quick pulling of the starters for the bench players. The last few games have proven the players overall are spoiled, non team-goal oriented, passionless, BUMS.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-23-2006 10:34 PM]

That the bench players have been effective and playing with heart (and the team back into games) is more than happened last year.

When LB played the bench players they played hard he just didnt play the young players more. Mo Taylor, and Malik played tough off the bench.

IMO, that he didn't play the young players on a team going nowhere is a damning indictment.

Rich, how can you say he LB didn't play the young players. Lee, Nate, Frye - 3 ROOKIES - got minutes compared to the rest of the rookie class. AND they duplicated positions the Knicks has OTHER players worthy of minutes. Your argument doesn't play.

Because he would play them and then bury them, and then play them again. They have said that the jerking around was a hinderance to their development.