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Bippity10
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11/22/2006  1:00 PM
Instead of doing what he's done in the past and gone into his pouting role whenever he doesn't get what he wants, I want the exact opposite. Tonight come out and show Isiah that he should never bench you again. Stop whining about how you are just trying to distribute and that you can't win with the fans. How about this, do what great PG's do(especially the best in the league) and run the offense, get others involved while also scoring points. Other PG's who were considered among the best in the league like JKidd, Magic, Stockton, Nash, Kevin Johnson, Mark Price and even Derek Harper found a way to score and run the offense. Why can't you? Stop whining and acting confused and go out and show Isiah that you should never be benched again. We are tired of this woe is me act. Get it done.
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11/22/2006  1:03 PM
I want $10 mil and control of the Knicks.....I don't think I'm gonna get that either.
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11/22/2006  1:05 PM
stop whining and talking abotu what u r gunna do and DO IT
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11/22/2006  1:07 PM

The problem is now if he writes all alone on those man made upppers the ink will run.

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11/22/2006  1:09 PM
this has been my problem with marbury since, like, forever: when he's in scoring mode he's bouncy, happy, lively, engaged. When he's in distribution mode he's lollygaggling on the perimeter, slow footed, disinterested, passive.

It's this Stephyll and Hyde mode that kills us, and he used to switch between them from quarter to quarters, then halves, now it's whole games. Doesn't he ever watch Kidd, Nash, Cousey, Clyde, West, Stockton, Isiah, etc? They play at the same energy level throughout, regardless of the "style" of play, and they know how to integrate their dual selves. Even in distribution mode a PG still needs to penetrate, pop, keep the defense honest, be a distraction and a decoy, and generally be involved, focus, and directional.

If the guy is not asked to be the one-man band he'd rather take a nap and wait till it's his turn again. It kills me.
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11/22/2006  1:11 PM
Has anybody ever seriously thought about how Steph's posse and mother can seriously tell him he's the best and it's not his fault with an actual straight face?

Seriously, all I want from Marbury this season is defense, a floor general and 17 and 7 consistent play.

Like I said, I also want $10 mil......
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11/22/2006  1:25 PM
I'm with Nixluva in that I think Marbs is legitimitely(sp?) trying to fit in the flow of the offense. But he has developed so many years of bad habits that unless you tailor the offense(at the expense of other players and possibly winning) to his skills he has trouble helping you. It's like Blueseats says, he doesn't understand that he can take fewer shots and still be energized and engaged in what's going on. Catch on the move, penetrate off the flow of the offense, do all the things he used to do when "he was the best PG in the league" except do it in the flow of the offense instead of dribbling the ball 15 times before you penetrate.

He had a great PG teacher last year and instead of listening he wasted a year by rebelling. He sabotaged himself by taking a year off from skills development because he wanted to get back at the coach. He hasn't listened in the past and this is currently killing his game. For the kids on the board let this be a lesson, listen to your coach whether you hate him or not.
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11/22/2006  1:39 PM
Here is what I need from Steph Tonight!

1. Shoot the ball nearly everytime you touch it, who cares if your off balance and no one is rebounding
2. Take shots with 18 left on the clock and then start a fast break for the other team
3. Don't run an offense just palm the ball and ****ing throw it up without looking to get anyone involved......
4. Win one game and make a lot of meaningless baskets that don't matter

Then everyone on this board will be an advocate to Marbury starting, because he played more like Crawford the most selfish, but articulate person on the team
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11/22/2006  1:42 PM
Posted by MS:

Here is what I need from Steph Tonight!

1. Shoot the ball nearly everytime you touch it, who cares if your off balance and no one is rebounding
2. Take shots with 18 left on the clock and then start a fast break for the other team
3. Don't run an offense just palm the ball and ****ing throw it up without looking to get anyone involved......
4. Win one game and make a lot of meaningless baskets that don't matter

Then everyone on this board will be an advocate to Marbury starting, because he played more like Crawford the most selfish, but articulate person on the team



you forgot to add:
5. hit a high pressure shot in crunchtime to win the game in the closing seconds... something Marbury has yet to do as a Knick.
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11/22/2006  1:57 PM
Thats in #4
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11/22/2006  2:03 PM
So in other words your opinion of Marbs is shaped by your opinion of Jamal. Shouldn't they be independent of each other?
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11/22/2006  2:10 PM
No they are one in the same, Marbury is not scoring because he is trying to get other people involved something Crawford really never does, and if we are talking about putting up numbers we all know that is what steph does.....

So why is it any different if crawford is putting up numbers by being selfish? If Steph was taking 18 shots a game he is going to score like crawford, i think crawford hurts the team more than steph with his selfish play on terrible shot selection
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11/22/2006  2:29 PM
i've never heard Craw proclaiming himself to be the best SG in the game... neither have i ever heard him fighting w/the head coach or w/his teammates, or complaining about the system being run or his role on the team... i've also never seen Craw pulling down $16 mil a year to be this team's "franchise player"

maybe that explains why Steph gets more flack than Crawford does?
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11/22/2006  2:33 PM
I can start a seperate post that is about Craw if you like. This post was about what I feel Marbs needs to do tonight. There was no hate involved. I don't want excuses. Jamal's play has nothing to do with Steph not being involved. If he is looking to distribute I would think his assists would go up if he was being more aggressive. In my opinion it's not about his numbers. It's about him not being aggressive at this point. The energy difference between him and the 2nd team is so strong you can taste it. That's all I want is energy from him. Make a difference on the court. Stop being a high paid dribble renewer that is using the "I'm trying to distribute" excuse for him doing nothing on the court.

I guess my fear is he pulls what he did last year. You know the game where he tried to prove to LB that he was wrong and decided to take 4 shots and do nothing else on the court. He's in a sarcastic mood because he was taken out "after one turnover". No hatred involved on my part I just want him to buck tradition. Instead of playing woe is me and sitting back and being totally unagressive tonight to avoid turnovers and prove a point to Isiah. I hope he does the exact opposite. That's all. This is independent of what Jamal does.

PS. Vinnie Johnson shot a lot for Detroit yet Isiah still found a way to run the offense and be aggressive, distribute and score and run the offense. Why can't Marbs do the same? It's his teammates fault. Jamal is holding him back? Enough. No more excuses. If you are the "best PG in the NBA" go out and prove it.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 11-22-2006 2:35 PM]
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11/22/2006  2:36 PM
Maybe it's too much to ask your best player to set the tone for the rest of the team instead of being the exact opposite of the tone you are trying to set.
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11/22/2006  2:40 PM
Marbs has a loser's mentality & that will never change Bip... we need to cut ties cuz this will be an ongoing problem w/him... unless he's being catered to & people are wiping his butt for him, he doesn't play up to his capabilities... excuse makers & sulkers like him brings the rest of the team down by merely being around all that negativity... we gotta get rid of the negative elements on this team & pave the way for some positivity & progress.
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11/22/2006  2:51 PM
Posted by MS:

No they are one in the same, Marbury is not scoring because he is trying to get other people involved something Crawford really never does, and if we are talking about putting up numbers we all know that is what steph does.....

So why is it any different if crawford is putting up numbers by being selfish? If Steph was taking 18 shots a game he is going to score like crawford, i think crawford hurts the team more than steph with his selfish play on terrible shot selection

Dude I must agree with you. Crawford is Steph lite. Ton of ability but his basketball IQ seems to be really low in terms of the quality of shots he takes.

At any point in the game I'll be amazed by a driving shot or off balance J Crawford swishes and, 5 seconds later, horrified at a 40 foot 3 or forced foray into the lane.

There are tons of athletic, talented players in the league. I think we can all hopefully agree that what sets the special players apart is their work ethic, and approach to the game.

It seems that for Marbury basketball just isn't fun anymore. Maybe it hasn't been for the past few seasons. Blah.
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11/22/2006  2:55 PM
I think the most important thing for us to do is find a leader that sets the tone for the team. Instead of having a leader that needs to wait to be taken out of a game or lose minutes or see the second team hustling, or Jamal shooting less or the ball in his hands 90% of the time before he decides to match the effort level.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 11-22-2006 2:56 PM]
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11/22/2006  2:56 PM
Posted by GodSaveTheKnicks:
Posted by MS:

No they are one in the same, Marbury is not scoring because he is trying to get other people involved something Crawford really never does, and if we are talking about putting up numbers we all know that is what steph does.....

So why is it any different if crawford is putting up numbers by being selfish? If Steph was taking 18 shots a game he is going to score like crawford, i think crawford hurts the team more than steph with his selfish play on terrible shot selection

Dude I must agree with you. Crawford is Steph lite. Ton of ability but his basketball IQ seems to be really low in terms of the quality of shots he takes.

At any point in the game I'll be amazed by a driving shot or off balance J Crawford swishes and, 5 seconds later, horrified at a 40 foot 3 or forced foray into the lane.

There are tons of athletic, talented players in the league. I think we can all hopefully agree that what sets the special players apart is their work ethic, and approach to the game.

It seems that for Marbury basketball just isn't fun anymore. Maybe it hasn't been for the past few seasons. Blah.

Marb and Craw are flawed players. The biggest difference between the two is that Craw is willing to listen and has demonstrated that he CAN listen and change. Is he a new player this year? No. Is he close to being a complete player? No.
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11/22/2006  2:58 PM
Craw is a completely different story for me. I agree with Martin and MS that he is equally flawed. His shot selection at times is possibly the worst in the league. He has no clue what a good shot is or how to run an offense effectively, consistently. But what does that have to do with me asking my best player to step it up a notch tonight? Can't we be posting equal stuff here about Frye or Curry or Nate? This is a post about Marbs.
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