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djsunyc
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11/22/2006  10:02 AM
BACK COURT BLUES

By MARK BERMAN

November 22, 2006 -- MINNEAPOLIS - Stephon Marbury is unhappy with Isiah Thomas. But it's not the same type of unhappiness he had with Larry Brown.

Yes, Marbury is steamed at Thomas for his early third-quarter benching Monday after he committed a turnover. After the game, Marbury, who had gone three straight games without a turnover, said he "didn't understand" the benching. Marbury made an implication if he's not allowed to commit one turnover, then that's how he'll play - passively, without trying to make plays.

Marbury spoke to Thomas late Monday night after he vented to the press, and that's something that would not have happened if the uncommunicative Brown was in charge. The Knicks did not practice yesterday, possibly to let tempers cool.

Marbury considers Thomas a father figure, and the son is displeased that dad embarrassed him Monday night, yanking him 65 seconds into the second half, along with partner Steve Francis.

There seems to be an agreement Marbury will be more aggressive in the future and attack the basket - his bread and butter. Marbury is averaging a paltry 9.2 shots a game, which is unacceptably low.

And it's become abundantly clear the Marbury-Francis backcourt is on its last legs, if not already dead.

Marbury needs a new backcourt partner, and it's possible Jamal Crawford starts ahead of Francis at shooting guard tonight when the Knicks play the Wolves at Target Center, where Marbury had his most prosperous two years as a pro.

Marbury and Crawford have always had a nice chemistry. Basketball compatability is something you can't break down with X's and O's. You either have it or don't. Marbury and Francis don't.

If the Crawford-Marbury backcourt marriage happens tonight, it could be short lived, too. In two weeks, Jared Jeffries is expected to return as starting small forward. At that juncture, Thomas should slide Quentin Richardson to shooting guard and perhaps take Francis out of the rotation altogether. That would pair the sizzling duo of Crawford and Nate Robinson together.

Francis looks shot as a player. Marbury, meanwhile, is playing without spunk, and it's not the sneakers. On Monday night, Marbury scoffed at a question of whether he's pressing at home. Marbury wonders how could he be pressing when he's not even shooting.

Marbury is trying to follow Thomas' directives of less dribbling, more passing. Often, Marbury doesn't have the ball in his hands for more than a couple of seconds before he's hitting the next open man. It's not working. Marbury's plus-minus is third-worst on the team. The Knicks are minus-5.3 points when he's on the court, plus-7.6 when he's on the bench. Only Channing Frye's and Eddy Curry's plus-minus are worse.

Thomas wants an equal-opportunity offense, talks about Marbury and Francis sacrificing points. But with a record of 4-8, Thomas has to realize the team's strengths. One of them is Marbury's ability to snake ferociously to the rack and either finish or create for others. Marbury is averaging just 10.9 points, but his assists-turnover ratio is a strong 4.8-to-1.83.

Yes, we all love what Robinson, Crawford, David Lee and Renaldo Balkman bring off the bench. But the Knicks can't make the playoffs if those guys are starters. They can if those reserves supply reckless energy off the bench to complement the starters.

Thomas did Marbury a disservice by yanking him so quickly. Marbury is already unfairly booed at the Garden for every mistake. The fans are too ambivalent about Francis to boo him. Two minutes into Monday's loss to the Rockets, Marbury committed a charge. The fans jeered.

Thomas said in training camp he'd need 15 games to sort it out. Francis and Marbury are not the answer as a starting backcourt. Francis hasn't shown he deserves to play, especially when Jeffries returns.

Unlike Brown, Isiah tried it and it didn't work. When asked if the Marbury-Francis backcourt will stay intact Monday night, Thomas said, "Um," then paused a few seconds and added shakily, "Yeah."

Repeat after me, Isiah. The answer should have been, "NO!"
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11/22/2006  10:06 AM
I truly belive Berman is on MSG's payroll. :)
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11/22/2006  10:14 AM
But waite, the media is out to get Marbury.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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11/22/2006  10:20 AM
berman is totally marbury's mouthpiece
may the homosexual references begin
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11/22/2006  10:26 AM
Does this mean "Starbury" is coming back?
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11/22/2006  10:27 AM
This has been the same way for 2 years. When ever Marbury has something to say it goes thru Berman. I guess Marbury trusts him and Berman likes the exclusives so he goes out of his way for Marbury.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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11/22/2006  10:28 AM
Francis is not shot. He did just have a 40-6-6 game in pre-season. This place is not the best for him--marbury and steve are to close in skills to make it work no synergy
if these guys werent being paid ludicrous amounts of $ they would be easily tradeable because other teams know they have talent--but just not the same as their prime+ the condition of the knicks.
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11/22/2006  10:34 AM
I would rather keep Francis, but we know so long as Isiah is here even discussing it is a waste of space on the UK database
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11/22/2006  10:40 AM
I think Francis is at least tradeable. He still has good athletic ability and is showing the ability that he wants to adopt to the team game. He's just not doing a good job yet, but he's still trying. Plus he's making a lot less than Marbury. At least he can be a desirable piece. Marbury, on the other hand, seems to be completely untradable. His contract is worse than Allan's.
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11/22/2006  12:12 PM
Mouthpiece?

Does Isiah speak for Dolan?


ANd what the phuch was this guy doing with this "dummy"?

Looking for a ass kicking?
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11/22/2006  12:58 PM
I don't believe either player is shot or that they can't play together. I think most of the problem is coming from these guys being asked to hold back for the good of the team. Isiah is trying to solve other problems in the SL. 1st it was Frye and now it's Curry. Steph we know can always do what he's done in the past, if he wants too. Plus he's the whipping boy for Isiah, for a practical reason. Many coaches will be harsh on the perceived star on the team as a way of showing the rest of the team that he's displeased, won't play favorites and is setting an example. As long as he's not saying nasty things about him in the press and they continue to actually communicate I don't see a problem, with it. I'm sure that Isiah explained what's going on, so that Steph can be able to endure it.

it's only been 12 games tho it seems longer. I wouldn't take anything that's happened in this short time period too seriously yet. There still remains time for things to turn around. If they continue thru this month, then i'd take action, but for now it's still short of the 15-20 game mark so there's no reason to overreact.
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11/22/2006  1:01 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I don't believe either player is shot or that they can't play together. I think most of the problem is coming from these guys being asked to hold back for the good of the team. Isiah is trying to solve other problems in the SL. 1st it was Frye and now it's Curry. Steph we know can always do what he's done in the past, if he wants too. Plus he's the whipping boy for Isiah, for a practical reason. Many coaches will be harsh on the perceived star on the team as a way of showing the rest of the team that he's displeased, won't play favorites and is setting an example. As long as he's not saying nasty things about him in the press and they continue to actually communicate I don't see a problem, with it. I'm sure that Isiah explained what's going on, so that Steph can be able to endure it.

it's only been 12 games tho it seems longer. I wouldn't take anything that's happened in this short time period too seriously yet. There still remains time for things to turn around. If they continue thru this month, then i'd take action, but for now it's still short of the 15-20 game mark so there's no reason to overreact.

I don't wanna be around this guy when its his turn.

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11/22/2006  1:02 PM
nixluva, you were pretty confident that Isiah's 'system' was design to feature the guards and work to their strengths. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on why it's not working out as you expected (yet.)
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11/22/2006  1:03 PM
If Marbury was being asked to hold back by Isiah and thats what he was doing then why would Isiah bench him?
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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11/22/2006  1:46 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Francis is not shot. He did just have a 40-6-6 game in pre-season. This place is not the best for him--marbury and steve are to close in skills to make it work no synergy
if these guys werent being paid ludicrous amounts of $ they would be easily tradeable because other teams know they have talent--but just not the same as their prime+ the condition of the knicks.

If Francis was here first and if Francis, not Marbury, played for Lincoln, people would say Marbury is shot and Francis is holding back.
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11/22/2006  1:59 PM
Posted by anrst:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Francis is not shot. He did just have a 40-6-6 game in pre-season. This place is not the best for him--marbury and steve are to close in skills to make it work no synergy
if these guys werent being paid ludicrous amounts of $ they would be easily tradeable because other teams know they have talent--but just not the same as their prime+ the condition of the knicks.

If Francis was here first and if Francis, not Marbury, played for Lincoln, people would say Marbury is shot and Francis is holding back.

true, true.
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11/22/2006  2:25 PM
Wait wait, you saying that Marbury Played for Lincoln and Francis shot Lincoln? Oh, wait, Larry shot Marbury?

What if Francis whore them skippy sneaks?

What if the flat foot skippy sneaks is the root of this evil?

This goes to show that wearing skippy sneaks is not cool!
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11/22/2006  2:53 PM
Posted by nixluva:

it's only been 12 games tho it seems longer. I wouldn't take anything that's happened in this short time period too seriously yet. There still remains time for things to turn around. If they continue thru this month, then i'd take action, but for now it's still short of the 15-20 game mark so there's no reason to overreact.

Not that I disgree with you about giving it some time but you were going off about how great the offense looked in Summer League. Now you're preaching patience?
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11/22/2006  3:03 PM
Isles we have to be patient now because they got nothing accomplished during pre-season. They were too busy doing waht vets do during pre-season, not playing hard and avoiding injuries. Now they just need time to gel. I have no problem waiting as Nixluva says for the team to gel. But in the meantime I can't have bickering and uninspired play.

There are things however that aren't working for a reason. Many called it months ago and it is being seen today. some things don't need time to be fixed. They need to be fixed.
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berman is totally marbury's mouthpiece

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