Screw Curry. As I have noticed, When Curry is out of it, Frye's game is up. When Curry is dominating the rest of the team is not really in the flow. Everythng is geared toward getting him off. When Frye is doing his thing, it is in the flow for the most part. I think it makes for a more interesting game.

One last thing: Did you all notice how many times these guys did not get the ball to Frye when he had his man pinned? They really need to drill some more on feeding the post!

Posted by oohah:

As I have noticed, When Curry is out of it, Frye's game is up. When Curry is dominating the rest of the team is not really in the flow. Everythng is geared toward getting him off. When Frye is doing his thing, it is in the flow for the most part. I think it makes for a more interesting game.

Exactly, This is one of my many problems with currys game ( i was gunna say my main problem but no.. thre are too many to list)

When we get curry going, everyone else suffers... Im so sick of him

Frye
Lee
Q
Jamal
Nate

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by oohah:

^^^ Did we argue about them not being able to play together? If I took the other position I was wrong. (Savor that half-hearted admission!)

I thought the point I made was this: I think a part of the big problem with Curry and Frye on the court at the same time is the need to feature Curry. I want Curry to be a cleanup man. Feature Frye, make Curry rebound and dunk, that is what he can do.

If Curry has no other directive than to clean up, I see no reason why Frye and Curry can't coexist.

I also still don't agree with you that Frye is a natural Center. But so what His game won't change in either spot. At some point you just have to put your best players on the floor. So if Frye plays center, I have no problem with that. Frye will be more than competent played at center or PF if he does not have his mind in space and if the damn guards feed him.

The front line I want to see? James/Lee/Frye. Make the other squads match up with us!

oohah

which is why I keep harping on that one point. IMO Frye at PF is no longer one of our "best players." But at center he certainly is. The fact that Frye is flourishing while Curry flounders is no coincedence. He's a bit of a finesse player on offense, but not on defense. He does much better when he can by physical. Everytime he's gotta chase around a shorter quicker guy he sucks. Let Lee do that. He's got a better motor than Frye, and both of their +/- #'s from last year and this clearly show that Lee defends PFs quite well and Frye defends centers quite well.

OT: Lee defends the center better than Curry too. Did you see that last night? Well I guess so do you and I, and Webster.

oohah

Posted by fishmike:

Curry sucks. I cant remember a player ever looking so suck ass

Posted by islesfan:

If Frye is who we're going to focus our offense around, we're in major trouble. Frye is a complementary player, that's it. He doesn't have the game or the mentality to be the Man.

Posted by fishmike:

Screw Curry. As I have noticed, When Curry is out of it, Frye's game is up. When Curry is dominating the rest of the team is not really in the flow. Everythng is geared toward getting him off. When Frye is doing his thing, it is in the flow for the most part. I think it makes for a more interesting game.

did you scratch out the part about how right I was about Frye and Curry not playing well together? Cmon man, I need to hear it.

Look... some time ago I suggested Frye trades for a few reasons
1) Curry and Frye are both centers and stink on the floor together
2) Isiah gave up so much to get Curry, so there was no way Curry was getting traded.
3) I showed evidence that Frye defended centers much better he defended PFs

That being said I am 100% with you that Frye is everything right and Curry is everything wrong.

Curry = fat, soft, lacks effort, quits when things dont go his way
Frye = in shape, works hard, doesnt give up, keeps fighting despite playing out of position and having some dreadfull games

So what do we do?

I have said 1000 times and stick to it that both are centers, and Frye will never find his NBA potential until he is able to stop chasing around NBA PFs (many of which are tweener types and not true PFs anyway) and play his natural position of center, where he can play on the high post and use his full arsenal of potent offesive weapons.

Put him next to Curry and he's a spot up jump shooter.

What a waste

This ties into my fervor for seeing Isiah gone. He's married to some of his (bad) decisons; Marbury and Curry. A small child can see that Frye and Lee deserve to start and recieve the bulk of the minutes on this team, but Isiah has far to much invested in Curry, so we will see Eddie out there again and again.

One last thing: Did you all notice how many times these guys did not get the ball to Frye when he had his man pinned? They really need to drill some more on feeding the post!

As DJ goes to all the games I think he can back me up on this. Franbury litteraly cant feed the post. Its mind boggling. Watching Frye post up in front of them is liking watching Arod with 2 strikes. You know he wants to swing at the curve, but he just cant pull the trigger. Franbury either WONT or CANT make simple (not easy, but a fundamental PG skill) entry passes to guys posting up when a defender is between them. Its nuts.

Dont mistaken this for more Isiah bashing. Its not my intent. In fact its clear Isiah has brought in some good players. Nate, Lee, Frye, Q, Balkman all the early makings for a good TEAM. The problem is ISiah is married to his mistakes at this point. So long as Isiah is here Franbury will be pounding the ball, and Curry will be loafing in the paint.

Excellent post fish. last night my 14 year old son was watching the game with me, and frye made this nice bank shot off the glass off a pick and roll, even kenny smith was commenting how hard of a shot that was, and my son said "Dad, why don't the knicks play frye at center and lee at PF?" I said" "Son, it is because frye may be a little light to play centers, for example, look at the hard time he would have guarding yao tonight".. My son then responded " dad, look at the job yao is doing on curry". I said good point son... GAme, set, match on that one.. LOL..

I think a line up of, frye, lee, jared jeffries, steph and Q would be a good starting 5. then you bring in craw, nate, balkman and james off the bench, and you have a nice rotation.. I say, try and move curry and francis for expirings and draft picks....