[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Zeke Treating Marbury Worse Than LB?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 1 of 2  1  2 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
TrueBlue
Posts: 29144
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 9/20/2006
Member: #1172
11/20/2006  10:29 PM
I think this is a topic worthy of serious discussion.

Yeah he's not bad mouthing him in the press but......

Is Zeke giving Marbury a fair shake to be as productive as possible? He's constantly yanking him in and out of games, disrupting any kind of flow or killing the chance to gain any. He puts him in game situations where one would think, he's out to make him a failure. None of the offense is suited for his strengths. He's basically a facilitator and not a court general.

Honestly Marbury looked better under LB and Lenny and I'm being serious here.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-20-2006 9:31 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
AUTOADVERT
Andrew
Posts: 26601
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #1
USA
11/20/2006  10:33 PM
Pre-injury last year Marbury was very good under LB
PURE KNICKS LOVE
arkrud
Posts: 32217
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 8/31/2005
Member: #995
USA
11/20/2006  10:38 PM
Marbs was starting all games and played at least 20-25 min, and probably about 30 on avarage.
He was in all kind of sets and with all kind of players...
And he was useless almoust all the time.
Whats more Zeke can do to help him?
Play half court gane like LB? So why the hell IT brought all this young players in?

Marbs and Curry blanders are their own fault. IT fault is that he brought them in NY in first place. But whats done is done - just move them and lets go move on... If IT will not do this lets dump IT and move on...
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
eViL
Posts: 25412
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/21/2004
Member: #561
USA
11/20/2006  10:40 PM
Very interesting topic. If his numbers stay where they are, he'll have career lows in points and assists.
check out my latest hip hop project: https://soundcloud.com/michaelcro http://youtu.be/scNXshrpyZo
Rich
Posts: 27410
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 12/30/2003
Member: #511
USA
11/20/2006  10:43 PM
He's using him less effectively, but if he is showing him respect, he's not treating him worse.
eViL
Posts: 25412
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/21/2004
Member: #561
USA
11/20/2006  10:44 PM
Posted by Rich:

He's using him less effectively, but if he is showing him respect, he's not treating him worse.

I think yanking Marbury after 65 seconds in the 3rd quarter is a disrespect.
check out my latest hip hop project: https://soundcloud.com/michaelcro http://youtu.be/scNXshrpyZo
TrueBlue
Posts: 29144
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 9/20/2006
Member: #1172
11/20/2006  10:45 PM
Posted by Rich:

He's using him less effectively, but if he is showing him respect, he's not treating him worse.

He's making embarrassing blatant substitutions that would make a star player upset. The dude had a scowl on his face the whole second half.
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
11/20/2006  11:06 PM
It's only a matter of time before Starbury blows up.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
nyk4ever
Posts: 41012
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 1/12/2005
Member: #848
USA
11/20/2006  11:12 PM
Posted by islesfan:

It's only a matter of time before Starbury blows up.

I agree Isles.

I know Marbury is trying to play a good soldier right now and play hard for the coach that has defended, right and wrong for 3 years, but eventually he's going to want to be Starbury and get his pride back. Marbury is not as bad of a player as he is playing right now and the system that Isiah Thomas is using is as far away from the style of play that Marbury has been accustomed to and has loved playing his whole career. Eventually, he's going to want to be putting up his 20 and 8 again and when that happens I have a feeling that Isiah will shop him hard and hope there is a contending suitor with an expiring.

Marburys time here in NY is seriously over.
"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
TrueBlue
Posts: 29144
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 9/20/2006
Member: #1172
11/20/2006  11:20 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:

It's only a matter of time before Starbury blows up.

I agree Isles.

I know Marbury is trying to play a good soldier right now and play hard for the coach that has defended, right and wrong for 3 years, but eventually he's going to want to be Starbury and get his pride back. Marbury is not as bad of a player as he is playing right now and the system that Isiah Thomas is using is as far away from the style of play that Marbury has been accustomed to and has loved playing his whole career. Eventually, he's going to want to be putting up his 20 and 8 again and when that happens I have a feeling that Isiah will shop him hard and hope there is a contending suitor with an expiring.

Marburys time here in NY is seriously over.


Zeke has come to a conclusion on what needs to be done and it's killing him. I just think at the same timr he realizes there is no sand left in the hourglass to do the inevitable. Not to mention if it was even possible he's completely eliminated all of Shakenbury's trade value. He should just waive him.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-20-2006 10:23 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
nattydreadz
Posts: 20028
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/29/2006
Member: #1160
USA
11/20/2006  11:21 PM
see, i think this is why the knicks are getting all these moral victories and no actual wins. They have Jamal Crawford taking all the shots. I think Marbury should be the one getting more shots. put nate at point and Marbury at 2guard. Steph needs to put up 20 shots a game at least. he will shoot a better % than Crawford. Steph just has too much offensive skill to go to waste being a role player. it hurts me to see Steph ...have his idol...just make him non-existent on the court. Zeke isnt using him at all. I truly believe that if steph gets his 20 + 10 ...the Knicks would be doing so much better.
just my thoughts.
Nalod
Posts: 72375
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
11/20/2006  11:22 PM
The team played very well in the second half. Marbury was in to give nate a rest.

The uptempo game does not suite Marbury very well.

Franbury looked awful tonite. What the hell are we to do with those two?
TrueBlue
Posts: 29144
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 9/20/2006
Member: #1172
11/20/2006  11:25 PM
Posted by nattydreadz:

see, i think this is why the knicks are getting all these moral victories and no actual wins. They have Jamal Crawford taking all the shots. I think Marbury should be the one getting more shots. put nate at point and Marbury at 2guard. Steph needs to put up 20 shots a game at least. he will shoot a better % than Crawford. Steph just has too much offensive skill to go to waste being a role player. it hurts me to see Steph ...have his idol...just make him non-existent on the court. Zeke isnt using him at all. I truly believe that if steph gets his 20 + 10 ...the Knicks would be doing so much better.
just my thoughts.


This hasn't worked in regards to team results during his career. Would Mabury perform better?....probably, but the team would still suffer. Marbury has a career 33% winning %age.


[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-20-2006 10:28 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
Rich
Posts: 27410
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 12/30/2003
Member: #511
USA
11/20/2006  11:33 PM
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by Rich:

He's using him less effectively, but if he is showing him respect, he's not treating him worse.

He's making embarrassing blatant substitutions that would make a star player upset. The dude had a scowl on his face the whole second half.

Marbury probably has a scowl on his face when he has sex.

Until he blows up, I have to believe that Isiah and Marbury are fine.



[Edited by - Rich on 11-20-2006 11:33 PM]
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
11/20/2006  11:35 PM
I have always thought Francis was the most overrated player in the league. I could not believe that he was drafted 2nd when he came out and honestly felt he should have been drafted 1. He has never made a team better and has been on a downward slide for awhile. I felt different about Marbury. I thought he was a tremendous talent who needed to grow up. I thought on the Nets he felt he had to be selffish because at the time they had nobody. I now wonder if that stunted his growth as a player. He seems unable to play a role where he makes others better consistently. When he first came here I thought he and Van Horn really had great chemistry. I don't think that he has had any kind of relationship or chemistry with any of his teammates since. I think he is much more talented than Francis. If only one goes it should be Francis. He does not have the talent Marbury has and inspite of Marbury's strange interactions, and statements to the media he is more endearing as a player to me than Francis. I really don't think there is any hope of positive growth with either of these guys on the team.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
11/20/2006  11:41 PM
They're fine right now because they both know that they've backed themselves into a corner with each other.

If Isiah can't get Marbury to be a winner then his biggest and most costliest move would be a complete failure.

If Marbury can't finally be the team player that every coach he's killed in his NBA career wanted him to be, then everybody will have been right about him. He'll be a loser with nice stats that amount to nothing.

Isiah took Marbury's side over every coach he's had here. Marbury said he was finally given a coach that could coach him.

Now they get exactly what they so richly deserve...each other.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
11/20/2006  11:53 PM
I think you guys are reading too much into this. They have to make some adjustments, but it wasn't that long ago that everyone was saying Isiah was sticking with Frye too long. Now Frye is getting better and gaining confidence. It's a LONG season folks and we have to allow this team to keep pressing thru.

For the most part Nate and Jamal ignore Curry when they're on the floor and they just go for their own offense and allow Lee to crash the boards, however when Steph and Steve are in the game with Curry, they are going overboard to try and get Curry going. They're sacrificing their game and their image for the sake of the team. If they can help Curry to be successful then they feel it would be worth it. I think they'll eventually make the adjustment and this team will be fine. I just wish they'd do it already cuz these losses are painful.
eViL
Posts: 25412
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/21/2004
Member: #561
USA
11/21/2006  12:06 AM
Posted by Rich:

Marbury probably has a scowl on his face when he has sex.

HAHA!!!
check out my latest hip hop project: https://soundcloud.com/michaelcro http://youtu.be/scNXshrpyZo
arkrud
Posts: 32217
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 8/31/2005
Member: #995
USA
11/21/2006  12:09 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I think you guys are reading too much into this. They have to make some adjustments, but it wasn't that long ago that everyone was saying Isiah was sticking with Frye too long. Now Frye is getting better and gaining confidence. It's a LONG season folks and we have to allow this team to keep pressing thru.

For the most part Nate and Jamal ignore Curry when they're on the floor and they just go for their own offense and allow Lee to crash the boards, however when Steph and Steve are in the game with Curry, they are going overboard to try and get Curry going. They're sacrificing their game and their image for the sake of the team. If they can help Curry to be successful then they feel it would be worth it. I think they'll eventually make the adjustment and this team will be fine. I just wish they'd do it already cuz these losses are painful.

Yep. It's just some 12 bad games for Marbs and Curry.
They will start loading the all-stars numbers from next Thursday after rain.
Be patient guys..
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
fishmike
Posts: 53903
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
11/21/2006  7:38 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I think you guys are reading too much into this. They have to make some adjustments, but it wasn't that long ago that everyone was saying Isiah was sticking with Frye too long. Now Frye is getting better and gaining confidence. It's a LONG season folks and we have to allow this team to keep pressing thru.

For the most part Nate and Jamal ignore Curry when they're on the floor and they just go for their own offense and allow Lee to crash the boards, however when Steph and Steve are in the game with Curry, they are going overboard to try and get Curry going. They're sacrificing their game and their image for the sake of the team. If they can help Curry to be successful then they feel it would be worth it. I think they'll eventually make the adjustment and this team will be fine. I just wish they'd do it already cuz these losses are painful.
how much more obvious could it be we have two pairs that have zero hope of becoming winning combos?
Curry/Frye
Franbury

We start two combo guards that both pound the ball while neither is very good at running an offense. Brevin Knight would be better considering what Isiah is asking them to do.

As for Curry/Frye both are centers, neither defends or rebounds well and Curry is killing Frye's offensive game by limiting his touches in the post. Funny how Curry's total fade has Frye coming around. Its not coincidence.

Its bad enough Isiah aquired some of these dopes. Whats worse is they arent even in a position to succeed.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Page 1 of 2  1  2 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Zeke Treating Marbury Worse Than LB?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy