I almost threw up this morning when i read there was a deal on the table to trade penny's contract to portland for an injured Darius Miles and his horrible contract and an injured Ratliff and his horrible contract, plus our draft pick this past summer.....

Isiah has traded for Penny, hurt his entire tenure with the Knicks

Jerome James hurt and out of shape his entire time with the Knicks

Jefferies obviously had to get hurt right away

Why is it that every player he brings in is either injured, going to be injured or just plain sucks.

Lets not forget Dolan told Isiah he couldn't add payroll, I am willing to bet he would have traded for Kenyon if that was not the case. In retrospect even though its a terrible deal I am thankful that those expiring deals were bought out so he can't do any more damage

Posted by MS:

I almost threw up this morning when i read there was a deal on the table to trade penny's contract to portland for an injured Darius Miles and his horrible contract and an injured Ratliff and his horrible contract, plus our draft pick this past summer.....

Isiah has traded for Penny, hurt his entire tenure with the Knicks

Jerome James hurt and out of shape his entire time with the Knicks

Jefferies obviously had to get hurt right away

Why is it that every player he brings in is either injured, going to be injured or just plain sucks.

Lets not forget Dolan told Isiah he couldn't add payroll, I am willing to bet he would have traded for Kenyon if that was not the case. In retrospect even though its a terrible deal I am thankful that those expiring deals were bought out so he can't do any more damage

so am i. worst business plan ever and i'm actually thankful for it. cba, anyone?

everybody wanted miles last year...hind sight being 20/20, not a good idea...but, you want to see madness, there are those saying we should trade Crawford and Curry for Webber...now, explain that one to me.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&r=311285&t=18251&page=1

Webber had Allan Houston surgery (microfracture) and we are truly dumping our future corner stones.


[Edited by - babyknicks on 11-17-2006 10:35 AM]

Posted by babyKnicks:

everybody wanted miles last year...hind sight being 20/20, not a good idea...but, you want to see madness, there are those saying we should trade Crawford and Curry for Webber...now, explain that one to me.

first off, i was sick to my stomach at the mere thought of adding Darius Miles to this team last year... the LAST thing we needed was yet another spoiled, overpaid, underachieving primadonna player who thought he was better than he really was.

second, if you could unload Big Turd in that deal along w/Jamal & Curry & got back CWebb's shorter length contract along w/their 1st round pick, it's a deal that would nicely set up the franchise to make a serious run at Lebron or D Wade 2 years from now... of course, i realize not many are in favor of such long range vision & are more interested in the here & now, but it is an option nonetheless... of course, i got scoffed at bigtime when i wanted the Knicks to tank the season the year Lebron & the others came out in the draft, so what do i know? i'm much happier that they won just enough games to draft Mike Sweetney now that i look back on it.

seriously we are giving our **** to the sixers, no one is taking snacks, unless he is in shape and motivated two things that will never happen

Posted by MS:

I am sorry are you on ****ing crack we are dumping our future cornerstones........???????????????????????

Two players that take plays off, don't play defense and only do well when they dominate the ball, thats a future I want to be a part of, have fun at an empty garden......

Cornerstones are Lee, Balkman, Nate on this team only even if they don't have start quality they do the little things they energize a team and play hard......If you want to include French Frye into the discussion at the center spot I will, but that is laughable anytime you call two players that have been in the league a combined 11 years and have 1 playoffs appearance between them to show for it.....

MS how is it that Isaih has the worst judgement if he is also responsible for bringing in every player you identify as cornerstone? It cannot be both ways.

Posted by JesseDark:

Posted by MS:

I am sorry are you on ****ing crack we are dumping our future cornerstones........???????????????????????

Two players that take plays off, don't play defense and only do well when they dominate the ball, thats a future I want to be a part of, have fun at an empty garden......

Cornerstones are Lee, Balkman, Nate on this team only even if they don't have start quality they do the little things they energize a team and play hard......If you want to include French Frye into the discussion at the center spot I will, but that is laughable anytime you call two players that have been in the league a combined 11 years and have 1 playoffs appearance between them to show for it.....

MS how is it that Isaih has the worst judgement if he is also responsible for bringing in every player you identify as cornerstone? It cannot be both ways.

Good f.....g point.

what JesseDark said

MS - how is it that Isaih has the worst judgement if he is also responsible for bringing in every player you identify as cornerstone?

Can it really be both ways?

bigbeast - NOW you're catching on son!

Isiah IS The Debbil

We are not calling into question his drafting abilities which are clearly very good, drafting is an instinctive process.....(Nate, Lee, Balkman, Ariza)

misterearl you get with the program? And how can I not make the claim....

Putting your faith in players that aren't winners is good judgement?

Signing a center that average 4pts and 4rbs that has a history off taking plays off and had a terrible regular season and is known for being out of shape to a five year deal is terrible judgement.......He passed his assessment on a playoff series?

Trading for Stever Francis was terrible judgement, adding three years and 15million plus is horrific for a player that doesn't fit with the team......A player that a division rival was trying to get rid of because he was disruptive, we just take off their hands

Bringing in a coach that you know isn't going to mesh well with players, because they don't take owness for their responsibilities or play defense, not to mention giving him a long term deal is bad judgement.....

Bringing players that are sensitive into new york is terrible judgment......

Even thinking about Darius Miles when your team has been corrupted by the same type of player, Marbury is terrible judgement......

Giving Lenny Wilkens a contract right away instead of waiting till the season was over was terrible judgment, since we are still paying him......

Trading for Mo Taylor?

Trading for Jalen, and then buying him out, 22 million for Balkman is not good judgement, is it? We like the player but I am willing to bet someone would have given us a pick for half that price and not count it against the salary cap......

Lee is everyones favorite player, but taking on Mailks contract for a competent center with an expiring deal was a lot to pay, it got us collins and lee for 25 million, not brain surgery......

And the Crawford deal, he got fleeced into taking Jerome Williams with Crawford, who no other team in the NBA was making a play for.......

So the team paying

Larry (28 million for 1 season)
Lenny (10 million for the past two)
Jerome William (luxury tax, will expire after this year)
Jalen Rose (15 million)
Mo Taylor (8 million)
Anucha (Whatever see gets)

So I can't make a claim that Isiah has bad judgement? A man who runs the team and is responsible for everyone above getting paid, not to mention the horrific deals of Francis and James, someone that also helped disgrace one of the most proud francises in sports, a team that is in the biggest market in the world without any nationally televised games while dropping season tickets down 15% and lowering the cities interest in the team to the gutter.......

MS - were you in the room when Nash rejected the deal?