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playa2
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11/14/2006  8:39 PM
Outgoing
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
8.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.2 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
14.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.8 apg in 32.3 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 C from Arizona
12.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 24.2 minutes


Incoming
Mickael Pietrus
6-6 SG from France (Foreign)
9.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.7 minutes
Adonal Foyle
6-10 C from Colgate
4.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.7 minutes
Troy Murphy
6-11 PF from Notre Dame
14.0 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 34.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -7.0 ppg, +5.5 rpg, and -3.5 apg.


Golden State Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Mickael Pietrus
6-6 SG from France (Foreign)
9.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.7 minutes
Adonal Foyle
6-10 C from Colgate
4.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.7 minutes
Troy Murphy
6-11 PF from Notre Dame
14.0 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 34.0 minutes


Incoming
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
8.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.2 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
14.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.8 apg in 32.3 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 C from Arizona
12.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 24.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: +7.0 ppg, -5.5 rpg, and +3.5 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to New York and Golden State being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New York and Golden State had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


[Edited by - playa2 on 11-14-2006 1:40 PM]
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11/14/2006  8:42 PM
I'd have to pass on this trade. Murphy's soft and plays no D. He's like the 20/10 player Charles Smith was on the Clippers only with less scoring. And Foyle's expensive garbage. And I'd rather have Frye than Pietrus.
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playa2
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11/14/2006  8:46 PM
Pietrus is young plays defense and can shoot the 3 ball and foyle will defend the goal better than curry Jerome james or Cato.

Murphy gives us rebounds and points that frye can't on a consistent basis.

MURPHY IS A EAST COAST GUY as is Foyle Pietrus has great upside with limitless athletisism.

Pietrus is shooting 54% from the field 52% from 3pt and avg11.5 pts 5.3reb 1.5 asst.

Murphy 12.7 pts 5.4 reb 2.6 asst shooting 48% fg 37 % from 3pt

Foyle at 6'10 270 Don Nelson doesn't like him at all but he could easily anchor our front line with playing time.

[Edited by - playa2 on 11-14-2006 1:58 PM]
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11/14/2006  9:08 PM
Frye is soft and doesn't play defense , crawford is unbridled plays no defense and shoots too much with out LB coaching him and Q is the only one that's worth anything.

We have to get rid of some guards(Q+jamal) that's tradeable for young players with upside(pietrus).

Murphy just need a change of scenary

[Edited by - playa2 on 11-14-2006 2:11 PM]
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11/14/2006  9:12 PM
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11/14/2006  9:22 PM
Murphy grabs boards and hits jumpers, he's like a better beefed up and much more expensive Frye.

Pietrus is a nice young guy I've wanted for our team for a while.

Foil is, well he's tin foil. So we have Jerome Cato Curry and Foyle? Thats like almost 30 million on centers each year. no thanks.
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11/14/2006  9:27 PM

Who are you trying to help here, Golden state or the Knicks..
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11/14/2006  10:17 PM
The knicks of course, we have to change our guard positions and get a pf who can reb in here .

Pietrus will help us forget Q and foyle is there just to make the trade work.

The knicks don't have to many tradeable pieces this is why I used these players.
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11/14/2006  10:33 PM
If you were going to let go of Craw, Frye and Q in one shot, I would think you could do better than that package in return. I respect trying to fill specific needs, but it's too much talent out the window and Foyle in particular kills it for me.
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11/14/2006  10:53 PM
Posted by OakTree:

If you were going to let go of Craw, Frye and Q in one shot, I would think you could do better than that package in return. I respect trying to fill specific needs, but it's too much talent out the window and Foyle in particular kills it for me.

yea- like that kind of deal should enable us to trade franbury for an ending contract.

they're talking about buying foyle out.
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11/15/2006  6:46 AM
Nelson doesn't like Foyle because all he wants to do with GS is run run run, that's telling me he still hasn't learned anything about half court defense.

Didn't Avery Johnson show him anything by making it to the finals with defense?
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11/15/2006  10:01 AM
Foyle is Big Turd part deux... why would anyone possibly want to trade for the guy?

as for Pietrus, Q Rich is a better player... he also plays defense & shoots the 3 btw, not to mention his post up scoring skills are much better as well... why give GS the better player?

Troy Murphy is a nice player, but i don't trade Crawford & Frye to get him either.
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11/15/2006  10:31 AM
Q is 26. He's a good player who has the ability to be a leader of this team. He's the guy we should keep.
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11/15/2006  11:56 AM
My point is if you are gonna change the culture of the knicks you have to get rid of some of the problems, but at the same time you might have to give up something of value because of the knicks past ego driven humungous contracts given to avg players.

Nobody here can come up with a trade that another team will accept that doesn't demand some our better players.

Standing pat is not gonna do it, some of the fans know the Knicks have to blow everything up and start over.

I also think Dolan takes too much unnecessary heat, the only bad decision he's made is hiring Isiah Thomas.

He doesn't make any personel decisions, he hires people to make those decisions, he just signs the checks.


We need to get rid of some soft players period.
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11/15/2006  12:07 PM
no thanks
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11/15/2006  12:13 PM
My point is if you are gonna change the culture of the knicks you have to get rid of some of the problems, but at the same time you might have to give up something of value because of the knicks past ego driven humungous contracts given to avg players.

Nobody here can come up with a trade that another team will accept that doesn't demand some our better players.

Standing pat is not gonna do it, some of the fans know the Knicks have to blow everything up and start over.

I also think Dolan takes too much unnecessary heat, the only bad decision he's made is hiring Isiah Thomas.

He doesn't make any personel decisions, he hires people to make those decisions, he just signs the checks.


We need to get rid of some soft players period.
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11/15/2006  1:29 PM
worst trade i have ever seen, murphy doesn't help, pietrus is a nice piece but not for giving up frye, q is playing great an is a nice rotation piece and your not giving frye away for nothing....
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11/15/2006  1:47 PM
this trade makes no sense because we would still have Marbury, Steve, and Curry on our team
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11/15/2006  1:48 PM
Posted by Elite:

this trade makes no sense because we would still have Marbury, Steve, and Curry on our team


seriously, the problem w/this team is not Q Rich... it's that we have underachieving overpaid, no defense playing primadonna's like Marbury & Francis clogging up minutes & stagnating the offensive flow of every game.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-15-2006 1:49 PM]
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