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TrueBlue
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11/11/2006  11:52 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/schedule?team=nyk&season=2006

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/schedule?team=nyk&season=2007


I see an abundance of improvement.
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11/12/2006  12:20 AM
well the difference, from last year and this year is
Schedule:
2006: Boston, Washington, GS, Portland, GS, SAC, Utah

2007: Memphis, ATL, IND, SA, DEN, HOU, SA

Big differenc in who we are playing. I know moral victories dont count, but the team is not giving up in these games, no quitting on the game like last year. they had a chance to beat houston, ind, sa (in ny on the comeback) after being down early.
So I would consider that improvement, it hasnt translated into wins yet, but it will.
Hard to make an assesment only after 7 games.
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11/12/2006  12:34 AM
From the teams you mentioned from our last year schedule we have some chances to win only with Boston
And with our defense even this is a question.
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11/12/2006  12:51 AM
Posted by arkrud:

From the teams you mentioned from our last year schedule we have some chances to win only with Boston
And with our defense even this is a question.

the only reason we beat SAC and UTA last season is that Utah fielded basically a WNBA team with no Boozer or AK47 and SAC had no Miller or Peja (and pre-Artest)
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11/12/2006  12:59 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by arkrud:

From the teams you mentioned from our last year schedule we have some chances to win only with Boston
And with our defense even this is a question.

the only reason we beat SAC and UTA last season is that Utah fielded basically a WNBA team with no Boozer or AK47 and SAC had no Miller or Peja (and pre-Artest)

Memphis with no Gasol? Denver with No Kmart?
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11/12/2006  1:05 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by arkrud:

From the teams you mentioned from our last year schedule we have some chances to win only with Boston
And with our defense even this is a question.

the only reason we beat SAC and UTA last season is that Utah fielded basically a WNBA team with no Boozer or AK47 and SAC had no Miller or Peja (and pre-Artest)

Memphis with no Gasol? Denver with No Kmart?

Portland was the worst team in the league year, GSW was much worse. it was a far easier schedule. I'm not saying we're playing well this year, but if you're asking which schedule was tougher, it's this years.
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11/12/2006  1:07 AM
New York with no Jeffries? no Francis?

A team's a team. Let's not make excuses.
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11/12/2006  1:12 AM
Posted by metra:

New York with no Jeffries? no Francis?

A team's a team. Let's not make excuses.

Ok. Let's not. We're still 2-5 and don't look like we're going anywhere. Last year we knew it was gonna hurt because LB had a new system we knew the players would have a problem adapting to. Now this system is supposed to be easy to comrehend and more natural to these specific players and we look just as horrible.
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11/12/2006  8:12 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by arkrud:

From the teams you mentioned from our last year schedule we have some chances to win only with Boston
And with our defense even this is a question.

the only reason we beat SAC and UTA last season is that Utah fielded basically a WNBA team with no Boozer or AK47 and SAC had no Miller or Peja (and pre-Artest)

Memphis with no Gasol? Denver with No Kmart?

cmon- denver doesn't need kmart when they have melo, nene & camby.
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11/12/2006  11:40 AM
No excuses. The starters are playing like shyat and most of them don't even look like their competing. Curry is supposed to have top NBA talent. So we put him up against top NBA talent and what happens? He gots murdered. Frye's vagina either hurts, or it's he that's the vagina. And we all know how bad Steve and Steph work together. Jamal has sucked too, but he at least looks like he's working through things and trying to bust out. This is no fluke b/c of the schedule. We are looking at a BAD basketball team.
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11/12/2006  3:32 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Ok. Let's not. We're still 2-5 and don't look like we're going anywhere. Last year we knew it was gonna hurt because LB had a new system we knew the players would have a problem adapting to. Now this system is supposed to be easy to comrehend and more natural to these specific players and we look just as horrible.
What I don't understand is how you can justify your double standard. And its soooo blatant!

And you actually say Denver without K-mart like thats supposed to mean something. The fuking guy got not playing time in last years playoffs cause he sucks so much. Let is go joe. This years schedule in November is lot harder. Just accept it. Its not an excuse. Match up the teams win-loss from last year. The only crappy team this season has been vs. Memphis without Gasol. Thats it!
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11/12/2006  3:34 PM
forget about records for a second and let's concentrate on curry and frye.

our future is basically in their hands. and their development, more like lackthereof, is the bigger concern.

2-5, who cares?

we're in trouble not only this year, but long term if curry and frye continue like this.
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11/12/2006  3:42 PM
Time to choke down a nice cool glass of kool-aid. Ahem:

I think we're missing many of the great things this team is accomplising by focusing too much on winning. 1) Marbury is a better man and had learned to treat basketball as a hobby; 2) Curry is playing a little better this season, at least part of the time; 3) Frye has learned that there's more to life than trying to be "the best"; 4) Jamal has gotten in touch with his inner chucker. Most of all, these guys know that they are winners in the game of life. Personally I'm thrilled to see the development of these players into multi-dimensional people - people of depth. True Rennaisance men.
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11/12/2006  3:52 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by joec32033:

Ok. Let's not. We're still 2-5 and don't look like we're going anywhere. Last year we knew it was gonna hurt because LB had a new system we knew the players would have a problem adapting to. Now this system is supposed to be easy to comrehend and more natural to these specific players and we look just as horrible.
What I don't understand is how you can justify your double standard. And its soooo blatant!

And you actually say Denver without K-mart like thats supposed to mean something. The fuking guy got not playing time in last years playoffs cause he sucks so much. Let is go joe. This years schedule in November is lot harder. Just accept it. Its not an excuse. Match up the teams win-loss from last year. The only crappy team this season has been vs. Memphis without Gasol. Thats it!

All I need to know is this a set up for the excuse of "We'll this year was harder because all these other teams improved except us."?

Before the season with this schedule people were predicting a winning record ans we are 2-4. What changed then?
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11/12/2006  4:19 PM
Posted by joec32033:

All I need to know is this a set up for the excuse of "We'll this year was harder because all these other teams improved except us."?
you are insulting me by coming up with something like that and totally skipping my post. Whats the point of replying to my post if you are not saying anything pertaining to it. First make up something like "Denver without K-mart is not a good team" and when people call you out, say something to avoid saying you were wrong. What a way to dodge the issue. Denver rarely relies on K-mart for anything. He played 50 games last year and they still made the playoffs. He is a total misfit there and losing ground to Nene and Camby.
Before the season with this schedule people were predicting a winning record ans we are 2-4. What changed then?
People predict a lot of things, you want everyone to say they are right and wrong? Like djsu said, bring up Curry and Frye not playing upto their potential.
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11/12/2006  4:31 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by metra:

New York with no Jeffries? no Francis?

A team's a team. Let's not make excuses.

Ok. Let's not. We're still 2-5 and don't look like we're going anywhere. Last year we knew it was gonna hurt because LB had a new system we knew the players would have a problem adapting to. Now this system is supposed to be easy to comrehend and more natural to these specific players and we look just as horrible.
So why don't you give Thomas the same benefit of the doubt you gave to LB? Isn't it also a new system?

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11/12/2006  5:46 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by joec32033:

All I need to know is this a set up for the excuse of "We'll this year was harder because all these other teams improved except us."?
you are insulting me by coming up with something like that and totally skipping my post. Whats the point of replying to my post if you are not saying anything pertaining to it. First make up something like "Denver without K-mart is not a good team" and when people call you out, say something to avoid saying you were wrong. What a way to dodge the issue. Denver rarely relies on K-mart for anything. He played 50 games last year and they still made the playoffs. He is a total misfit there and losing ground to Nene and Camby.
Before the season with this schedule people were predicting a winning record ans we are 2-4. What changed then?
People predict a lot of things, you want everyone to say they are right and wrong? Like djsu said, bring up Curry and Frye not playing upto their potential.

Silver you know I don't mean to be insulting, but this first 7 games was not that hard. Other than the 2 games at San Antonio, each and every game was winnable by this team. I told you before, I am so hard on this team because talent wise it is capable of being so much better.

Can you honestly tell me that Indy, Houston, Denver(without their starting PF), Atlanta, and Memphis are not entirely winnable games by this team? I'll tell you they absolutely are. Every game but the SA games are seen as truly winnable with a mediocum of effort and pride.

Indy is the only game(other than the SA games) that we even remotely, by the slimmest possible margin shouldn't have won. This team to me at the very least should be 4-3 in my book.
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11/12/2006  6:02 PM
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by metra:

New York with no Jeffries? no Francis?

A team's a team. Let's not make excuses.

Ok. Let's not. We're still 2-5 and don't look like we're going anywhere. Last year we knew it was gonna hurt because LB had a new system we knew the players would have a problem adapting to. Now this system is supposed to be easy to comrehend and more natural to these specific players and we look just as horrible.
So why don't you give Thomas the same benefit of the doubt you gave to LB? Isn't it also a new system?

Isiah hand picked these players to play in this system. The problem is not the system, unless Isiah-or the players-have abandoned it already.

These players said it wasn't their fault, Larry didn't let them play the way they should have been playing and that the team will be better if the did play the way the players wanted. Well, they are playing "their" way and the team is no better.

That's like me hiring you to build my house. I want to use a certain wood, for the sake of argument, say maple for my frame. You start to use it then say, "You know what Joe, this maple ain't the best wood. I can build you a much better house if only I used redwood for the frame." Now, as the guy building my house, I trust you and I say "Ok, tear it down, I'll eat the extra cost of bringing everything down. Use the redwood and build me a better house." So we tear down all the maple, and start using up all the redwood. Well, I stroll down to my house being built and it looks like crap. Warped boards, soft wood, beams not being able to hold the weight they have to support. I say "Budda, What the hell, you said you could build me a better house with the redwood. This looks like crap!". And you reply to me "Well, I said I can build a better house with redwood, but first I have to actually learn how to work with redwood. It is totally different than maple and actually, I never worked with it before. I just heard that redwood is a better wood.".

Point of the story is: If you are gonna tell me that something is going to work better another way, don't try and tell me that you need extra time to make it work right. Players said the problem was Larry. Larry fired, problem removed. Payers said they were going to be better without Larry. Larry's gone they still suck, and now I have to give you MORE time to perfect a system you already said you knew how to play in and it would make us better?!?

[Edited by - joec32033 on 11-12-2006 6:04 PM]
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my bad joe...i know what you mean
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11/12/2006  7:47 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by metra:

New York with no Jeffries? no Francis?

A team's a team. Let's not make excuses.

Ok. Let's not. We're still 2-5 and don't look like we're going anywhere. Last year we knew it was gonna hurt because LB had a new system we knew the players would have a problem adapting to. Now this system is supposed to be easy to comrehend and more natural to these specific players and we look just as horrible.
So why don't you give Thomas the same benefit of the doubt you gave to LB? Isn't it also a new system?

Isiah hand picked these players to play in this system. The problem is not the system, unless Isiah-or the players-have abandoned it already.

These players said it wasn't their fault, Larry didn't let them play the way they should have been playing and that the team will be better if the did play the way the players wanted. Well, they are playing "their" way and the team is no better.

That's like me hiring you to build my house. I want to use a certain wood, for the sake of argument, say maple for my frame. You start to use it then say, "You know what Joe, this maple ain't the best wood. I can build you a much better house if only I used redwood for the frame." Now, as the guy building my house, I trust you and I say "Ok, tear it down, I'll eat the extra cost of bringing everything down. Use the redwood and build me a better house." So we tear down all the maple, and start using up all the redwood. Well, I stroll down to my house being built and it looks like crap. Warped boards, soft wood, beams not being able to hold the weight they have to support. I say "Budda, What the hell, you said you could build me a better house with the redwood. This looks like crap!". And you reply to me "Well, I said I can build a better house with redwood, but first I have to actually learn how to work with redwood. It is totally different than maple and actually, I never worked with it before. I just heard that redwood is a better wood.".

Point of the story is: If you are gonna tell me that something is going to work better another way, don't try and tell me that you need extra time to make it work right. Players said the problem was Larry. Larry fired, problem removed. Payers said they were going to be better without Larry. Larry's gone they still suck, and now I have to give you MORE time to perfect a system you already said you knew how to play in and it would make us better?!?

[Edited by - joec32033 on 11-12-2006 6:04 PM]



Excellent illustration couldn't have said it any better. The same people that are getting flustered for the supposed haters discussing the record are ignoring the fact that 3 key players look awful and I mean awful. The defense is EPICALLY ATROCIOUS. If Zeke needs time for a 1yr improvement then how come Larry didn't receive backing for imrpoving a horrid situation for more than a yr's service?
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