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The Isiah Rule
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BigRedDog
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11/9/2006  2:09 PM
I thought there was a rule in the league that stated you can't trade your own 1st rnd draft pick in 2 consecutive years. I guess if you get back a 1st rnd pick in a trade then you can trade your own pick in 2 consecutive years. I say they make "The Isiah Rule" which saves idiotic gms from themselves and make the rule which states "no matter what you get in return you can't trade your own 1st rnd pick in 2 consecutive years"

What do you think?
fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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izybx
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11/9/2006  2:14 PM
Why not just ban bad trades all together?
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Masterplan
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11/9/2006  2:17 PM
i never thought of that. i know the rule that says you can't trade consecutive first round picks, but there are loopholes like drafting and then trading. maybe the option to trade picks doesn't count as actually trading picks.
Elite
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11/9/2006  2:21 PM
wouldent it be nice
martin
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11/9/2006  3:16 PM
Posted by Masterplan:

i never thought of that. i know the rule that says you can't trade consecutive first round picks, but there are loopholes like drafting and then trading. maybe the option to trade picks doesn't count as actually trading picks.

this is correct.
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BigRedDog
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11/9/2006  3:57 PM
BTW we still owe a future #1 pick to Utah (via phoenix) for the Marbury trade. Either 2007,2008,2009 and unprotected in 2010. What a great future Isiah left us with. Lesson learned--NEVER,NEVER trade a future #1 pick.
fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
GoNyGoNyGo
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11/9/2006  4:28 PM
We did not trade the pick. We traded them the rights to swap picks with us if they want to. There already is a rule that you cannot trade your 1st round pick 2 years in a row.

fishmike
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11/9/2006  6:51 PM
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

We did not trade the pick. We traded them the rights to swap picks with us if they want to. There already is a rule that you cannot trade your 1st round pick 2 years in a row.
thats not true... the rule is you cant trade consecutive FUTURE picks. You can trade your first rounder every year. What you cant do is trade your 2007, then in another deal trade your 2008, then your 2009 etc.

We can trade this pick this year if we want

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11/9/2006  11:37 PM
71. How are draft picks handled in trades?

Draft picks (both first and second round) count $0 for salary matching purposes. This is true both before and after the draft, until the player signs a contract. This can make it very difficult to construct a trade that is equitable in both trade value and basketball talent. For example, Vancouver selected Steve Francis with the #2 pick in the 1999 draft, and traded his draft rights to Houston. When the trade was finally engineered, it included three teams (Orlando was also involved), 11 players (including Francis) and two future draft picks.

Once the draft pick signs a contract, his actual salary becomes his trade value.

Note that even though a draft pick's trade value (for salary matching purposes) is $0, a first round pick is included in the team's team salary at 100% of his scale amount once he is selected in the draft, unless he signs with a non-NBA team (see question number 41). If an unsigned first round draft pick is traded, then 100% of his scale amount is included in the acquiring team's team salary as soon as the trade is completed. An unsigned second round pick does not count toward team salary.

Teams can only trade draft picks five years into the future (for example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then the 2010 pick can be traded, but the 2011 pick can't). It is common to "protect" picks depending on their position (e.g. "we keep it if it's in the lottery, otherwise you get it"), to avoid a repeat of some unfortunate past trades, such as the 1982 trade between the Cavs and Lakers, where the pick LA received turned out to be the first overall pick and was used to draft James Worthy. Now, it is common to see picks traded with protection that relaxes over several years -- for example, a first-round pick in 2005, unless it is in the lottery, in which case a first-round pick in 2006, unless it is one of the top three, in which case an unconditional pick in 2007.

In addition, teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is called the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a future first-round draft pick in consecutive years.

This rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then teams can trade their 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had a 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.

In addition, teams are required to have only a first round pick, and not necessarily their first round pick. So teams may trade away their own future picks in consecutive years if they have another team's first round pick in one of those years.

A team cannot sign and immediately trade a draft pick in a sign-and-trade arrangement (see question number 76).
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