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1985 lottery: what if indiana won the ewing draft?
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EnySpree
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11/8/2006  5:47 PM
If I'm not mistaken Karl Malone was in that draft but went kinda low.

Who did indiana pick again? Lol.

Ny without the pat ewing era?

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11/8/2006  6:30 PM
Indiana took Wayman Tisdale. Oak went 9th overall. Mullin was in that draft, too. As was Malone. And Joe Dumars. And Detlef Schrempf. pretty decent draft.
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First Round
1  NY    Patrick Ewing            Georgetown
2  Ind    Wayman Tisdale           Oklahoma
3  LAC    Benoit Benjamin          Creighton
4  Sea    Xavier McDaniel          Wichita State
5  Atl    Jon Koncak               Southern Methodist
6  Sac    Joe Kleine               Arkansas
7  GS     Chris Mullin             St. John's
8  Dall   Detlef Schrempf          Washington
9* Clev   Charles Oakley           Virginia Union
10 Phoe   Ed Pinckney              Villanova
11 Chi    Keith Lee                Memphis State
12 Wash   Kenny Green              Wake Forest
13 Utah   Karl Malone              Louisiana Tech
14 SA     Alfredrick Hughes        Loyola (IL)
15 Den    Blair Rasmussen          Oregon
16 Dall   Bill Wennington          St. John's
17 Dall   Uwe Blab                 Indiana
18 Det    Joe Dumars               McNeese State
19 Hous   Steve Harris             Tulsa
20 Bos    Sam Vincent              Michigan State
21 Phil   Terry Catledge           South Alabama
22 Mil    Jerry Reynolds           Louisiana State
23 LAL    A.C. Green               Oregon State
24 Port   Terry Porter             Wisconsin-Stevens Point

Second Round
1  Port   Mike Smrek               Canisius
2  Ind    Bill Martin              Georgetown
3  Ind    Dwayne McClain           Villanova
4  Chi    Ken Johnson              Michigan State
5  SA     Mike Brittain            South Carolina
6  Clev   Calvin Duncan            Virginia Commonwealth
7  Wash   Manute Bol               Bridgeport
8  Phoe   Nick Vanos               Santa Clara
9  Phil   Greg Stokes              Iowa
10 Chi    Aubrey Sherrod           Wichita State
11 SA     Tyrone Corbin            DePaul
12 NJ     Yvon Joseph              Georgia Tech
13 Utah   Carey Scurry             Long Island
14 NJ     Fernando Martin          Madrid (Spain)
15 Port   George Montgomery        Illinois
16 Dall   Mark Acres               Oral Roberts
17 Atl    Lorenzo Charles          North Carolina State
18 GS     Bobby Lee Hurt           Alabama
19 Den    Barry Stevens            Iowa State
20 Phil   Voise Winters            Bradley
21 Clev   John Williams            Tulane
22 Chi    Adrian Branch            Maryland
23 NY    Gerald Wilkins           Tennessee-Chattanooga

Third Round
1  Ind    Kenny Patterson          DePaul
2  GS     Brad Wright              UCLA
3  Dall   Leonard Allen            San Diego State
4  Sac    Charles Bradley          South Florida
5  LAC    Anicet Lavodrama         Houston Baptist
6  Sea    Rolando Lamb             Virginia Commonwealth
7  Hous   Sam Mitchell             Mercer
8  Clev   Herb Johnson             Tulsa
9  Phoe   Jerry Everett            Lamar
10 Hous   Michael Payne            Iowa
11 Wash   Vernon Moore             Creighton
12 Atl    Sedric Toney             Dayton
13 Det    Andre Goode              Northwestern
14 Port   Perry Young              Virginia Tech
15 NJ     Nigel Manuel             UCLA
16 Dall   Harold Keeling           Santa Clara
17 Det    Richie Johnson           Evansville
18 Wash   Ken Perry                Southern Illinois
19 Sac    Michael Adams            Boston College
20 Phil   Steve Black              La Salle
21 Mil    Eugene McDowell          Florida
22 Chi    Mike Brown               George Washington
23 Bos    Andre Battle             Loyola (IL)

Fourth Round
1  GS     Luster Goodwin           Texas-El Paso
2  Ind    Vince Hamilton           Clemson
3  NY    Fred Cofield             Eastern Michigan
4  LAC    Jim Deines               Arizona State
5  Sea    Alex Stivrins            Colorado
6  Sac    Willie Simmons           Louisiana Tech
7  Atl    Arvidas Sabonis          None (Soviet Union)
8  Phoe   Granger Hall             Temple
9  Clev   Mark Davis               Old Dominion
10 Chi    Craig Beard              Samford
11 Wash   Richie Adams             Nevada-Las Vegas
12 SA     Scott Roth               Wisconsin
13 Utah   Delaney Rudd             Wake Forest
14 Atl    John Battle              Rutgers
15 Port   Joe Atkinson             Oklahoma State
16 Dall   Bubba Jennings           Texas Tech
17 Det    Spud Webb                North Carolina State
18 Hous   Mike Brooks              Tennessee
19 Den    Pete Williams            Arizona
20 Phil   Derrick Gervin           Texas-San Antonio
21 Mil    Cozell McQueen           North Carolina State
22 LAL    Dexter Shouse            South Alabama
23 Bos    Cliff Weber              Liberty Baptist

Fifth Round
1  Ind    Kelvin Johnson           Richmond
2  GS     Greg Cavener             Missouri
3  NY    Mike Schlegel            Virginia Commonwealth
4  Sea    Lou Stefanovic           Illinois State
5  Sac    Bob Lojewski             St. Joseph's
6  LAC    Wayne Carlander          USC
7  Atl    Larry Hampton            Hampton Institute
8  Clev   Gunther Behnke           None (West Germany)
9  Phoe   Shawn Campbell           Weber State
10 Chi    Reid Gettys              Houston
11 Wash   Dean Shaffer             Florida State
12 Utah   Ray Hall                 Canisius
13 SA     Clayton Olivier          USC
14 Port   James Anderson           Union (KY)
15 NJ     Kelly Blaine             South Alabama
16 Dall   Tommy Davis              Minnesota
17 Det    Mike Lahm                Murray State
18 Ind    Ivan Daniels             Illinois-Chicago
19 Den    Kenny Brown              Texas A&M
20 Phil   Carl Wright              Southern Methodist
21 Mil    Ray Knight               Providence
22 LAL    Timo Saarelainen         Brigham Young
23 Bos    Albert Butts             La Salle

Sixth Round
1  GS     Gerald Crosby            Georgia
2  Ind    Stu Primus               Boston College
3  NY    Kent Lockhart            Texas-El Paso
4  Sac    Charles Valentine        Arkansas
5  LAC    Malcolm Thomas           Missouri
6  Sea    Earl Walker              Mercer
7  Atl    Tony Duckett             Lafayette
8  Phoe   Charles Rayne            Temple
9  Clev   Ricky Johnson            Illinois State
10 Chi    Dan Meagher              Duke
11 Wash   Matt England             Houston Baptist
12 SA     Chris Harper             Oregon
13 Utah   Jim Miller               Virginia
14 NJ     George Almones           SW Louisiana
15 Port   Curtis Moore             Nebraska
16 Dall   Carlton Cooper           Texas
17 Det    Vincent Giles            Eastern Michigan
18 Hous   Sam Potter               Oral Roberts
19 Den    Joe Carrabino            Harvard
20 Phil   Daryl Lloyd              Drake
21 Mil    Quentin Anderson         Texas Tech
22 LAL    Tony Neal                Cal State-Fullerton
23 Bos    Ralph Lewis              La Salle

Seventh Round
1  Ind    Jeff Acres               Oral Roberts
2  GS     Eric Boyd                North Carolina A&T
3  NY    Ken Bantum               Cornell
4  LAC    Gary Maloncon            UCLA
5  Sea    Michael Phelps           Alcorn State
6  Sac    Alton Lee Gipson         Florida State
7  Atl    Bob Ferry Jr.            Harvard
8  Clev   Buzz Peterson            North Carolina
9  Phoe   Georgi Glouchkov         Akademik Varna (Bulgaria)
10 Chi    Jeff Adkins              Maryland
11 Wash   Keith Gray               Detroit
12 Utah   Mike Wacker              Texas-San Antonio
13 SA     Al Young                 Virginia Tech
14 Port   Mark Owen                College of Idaho
15 NJ     Gary McLain              Villanova
16 Dall   Ed Catchings             Nevada-Las Vegas
17 Det    Frank James              Nevada-Las Vegas
18 Ind    Don Turney               Marshall
19 Den    Eddie Smith              Arizona
20 Phil   Jaye Andrews             Bucknell
21 Mil    Mario Elie               American International
22 LAL    Keith Cleplicki          William & Mary
23 Bos    Chris Remly              Rutgers
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11/8/2006  6:38 PM
interesting note while looking on draft.net. in 1984, the NBA awarded the Cavaliers the 12th pick overall because the previous owners of the franchise had traded away so many picks over the years. maybe someday, we'll get that provision
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11/8/2006  7:22 PM
Wayman is a jazz musician now, lol.

Thanks for posting that 6 round long draft! I was trying to do it but its just too much.

So what would the knicks have done? x-man?

At the time the knicks were terrible. They were plagued by injuries and needed everything.

Dude that 2nd pick sucked cuz look at what came after. Beniot was good but he was a major puss and didn't stick around, tisdale was a nice player but not good enough to out that high of a pick on. Then we got joe kliene, John koncak? Wtf? The knicks would have been screwed. Chris mullin and Karl Malone would have been stretches. No one thought either player would have done what they did in their careers.

I think the luck of that draft screwed any chance of the knicks having any luck ever! Geez.
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11/8/2006  8:00 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Wayman is a jazz musician now, lol.

Thanks for posting that 6 round long draft! I was trying to do it but its just too much.

So what would the knicks have done? x-man?

At the time the knicks were terrible. They were plagued by injuries and needed everything.

Dude that 2nd pick sucked cuz look at what came after. Beniot was good but he was a major puss and didn't stick around, tisdale was a nice player but not good enough to out that high of a pick on. Then we got joe kliene, John koncak? Wtf? The knicks would have been screwed. Chris mullin and Karl Malone would have been stretches. No one thought either player would have done what they did in their careers.

I think the luck of that draft screwed any chance of the knicks having any luck ever! Geez.

Which leads me to a different question.

With 20/20 hindsight, did the Knicks screw up because they took Ewing over Malone? Would we have won with Malone instead of Big Pat?
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11/8/2006  8:25 PM
Posted by firefly:
Posted by EnySpree:

Wayman is a jazz musician now, lol.

Thanks for posting that 6 round long draft! I was trying to do it but its just too much.

So what would the knicks have done? x-man?

At the time the knicks were terrible. They were plagued by injuries and needed everything.

Dude that 2nd pick sucked cuz look at what came after. Beniot was good but he was a major puss and didn't stick around, tisdale was a nice player but not good enough to out that high of a pick on. Then we got joe kliene, John koncak? Wtf? The knicks would have been screwed. Chris mullin and Karl Malone would have been stretches. No one thought either player would have done what they did in their careers.

I think the luck of that draft screwed any chance of the knicks having any luck ever! Geez.

Which leads me to a different question.

With 20/20 hindsight, did the Knicks screw up because they took Ewing over Malone? Would we have won with Malone instead of Big Pat?

I want big pat all the way. The problem with the knicks was they didn't even try to get him help outside of Charles oakley. Mason and starks fell into the knicks laps. You can go down the line with all of ewings teamates. Guys over achieved. Poor ewing was all alone. There were good times but the knicks needed to get ewing help.

Utah knew how to build around Karl. They just ran into Chicago. Guess you can say the same with the knicks but ewing clearly didn't have help.
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11/8/2006  9:17 PM
Posted by firefly:
Posted by EnySpree:

Wayman is a jazz musician now, lol.

Thanks for posting that 6 round long draft! I was trying to do it but its just too much.

So what would the knicks have done? x-man?

At the time the knicks were terrible. They were plagued by injuries and needed everything.

Dude that 2nd pick sucked cuz look at what came after. Beniot was good but he was a major puss and didn't stick around, tisdale was a nice player but not good enough to out that high of a pick on. Then we got joe kliene, John koncak? Wtf? The knicks would have been screwed. Chris mullin and Karl Malone would have been stretches. No one thought either player would have done what they did in their careers.

I think the luck of that draft screwed any chance of the knicks having any luck ever! Geez.

Which leads me to a different question.

With 20/20 hindsight, did the Knicks screw up because they took Ewing over Malone? Would we have won with Malone instead of Big Pat?
I doubt it. Most non-Knick fans probably think more highly of Malone than Ewing just because Ewing never gets a fair shake. But put a hall-of-fame PG with Ewing and put him outside of the conference Jordan was in, and I bet he accomplishes a lot more than Malone did.

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11/9/2006  2:09 AM
If only Bernard King didn't tear up his knee Ewing would have had all the help he needed!And maybe Jordan wouldn't have all those rings!

[Edited by - rich1223 on 11-09-2006 02:09 AM]
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11/9/2006  2:38 AM
I was pretty bummed when the Pacers took Chuck "The Rifleman" Person 4th in the 1986 draft (we really needed an outside shooter) and the Knicks were stuck with Kenny "Sky" Walker.
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11/9/2006  3:04 AM
Posted by Rich:

I was pretty bummed when the Pacers took Chuck "The Rifleman" Person 4th in the 1986 draft (we really needed an outside shooter) and the Knicks were stuck with Kenny "Sky" Walker.

That's a big one too. Chuck person would have taken the knicks to another level. Chuck was a very good scorer. Check his stats.

Knicks did get Xavier McDaniel and that was nice but the next year came the Charles smith era like huh? Knicks always needed that second scorer. Charles smith was actually a good player, before he came to ny like everyone else, sigh. Knicks needed that shooter.

Getting rolando blackman was a joke too. He was coming off a typical season before he came to the knicks, sigh. The guy became a knick looking like a guy that was ready to retire. He was old.

Zach Randolph.
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11/9/2006  9:06 AM
If we did not get pat we would have had a still higher pick the next year.

Brad Daughtery went no. 1 and was a Tim Duncan player until injuries slowed him. Im thinking we would have had a no. 2 pick which was Len Bias.
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11/9/2006  9:48 AM
If we didn't get Ewing, we could have taken Uwe Blab. Not much of a player, but what a name!
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