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djsunyc
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11/7/2006  1:17 AM
Is Curry a big mistake?
Shaun Powell

November 7, 2006, 12:03 AM EST

He fills the No. 1 criteria for success at his position: He's big. He can run the floor. He can find his way around the basket without seeking directions, is capable of big nights and still hasn't touched his potential. If he ever does, he might not change the game, but he will change his team.

Obviously, we've just summed up Eddy Curry, the center the Knicks are still getting to know. But that also describes Greg Oden, the center the Knicks will never know.

Here's what everyone in basketball knows: When they traded for Curry, the Knicks blew any chance of getting The Next Great Big Man, should the 7-foot consensus high school player of the year leave Ohio State after his freshman year. Among other goodies, the Knicks gave Chicago the right to swap first-round picks next June in what could be one of those special drafts in which the top pick is a true lottery jackpot.

Just ask last night's Garden visitors, the Spurs, who were blessed with two winning tickets, David Robinson in 1987 and Tim Duncan in 1997, and have three championships to show for being lucky.

"I can't describe how fortunate we've been," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. "There's nobody who wouldn't want David for a decade and Tim for a decade after that."

The legacy of Isiah Thomas with the Knicks will not live or die with Stephon Marbury, his pet player. Isiah's job status rests with the decision he made when he ignored red-alert warnings about Curry's heart and intensity level and hunger and not only gave him a big contract but took the Knicks right out of the Oden sweepstakes. No other general manager in basketball thought Curry was worth all that, and pretty soon, we'll see if Isiah was smarter than all the rest or just a bigger fool.

When Knicks owner James Dolan turned to Isiah last summer and demanded "significant progress" or else, without defining "significant progress," let's assume he was referring in part to Curry this season.

The Knicks must and should see a better center, but given his history of disappearing in games, nothing is for certain. Should Curry turn mean enough to land a role in "Saw IV," learn to attack more and foul less, the Knicks probably will win games, never worry about a center for 10 years and keep sending Isiah paychecks. If Curry averages more silly fouls and turnovers per game than tough rebounds and can't dominate the souped-up power forwards that most teams stick at center, and if the Knicks wind up with a lousy record and Oden winds up with the Bulls, Isiah will be christened the worst executive in New York sports history.

There's another scenario: Curry finally figures it out next year, but by then Isiah is long gone, living in shame with Larry Brown.

That's why Curry's time is now. Besides, this is his sixth season since he made the jump from high school. Isn't that long enough?

So far, in this young and pessimistic Knicks season, Curry is giving mixed messages. Through three games, he was one of the few bright spots. But last night, he was yanked, along with three other starters, and the Knicks played their best ball without him.

They trailed by 19 with a little over eight minutes left and Curry was booed when he went to the bench. In just over four minutes, they cut the Spurs' lead to one with a 20-2 run, helped by Malik Rose's smart "D" on Duncan. Then Curry returned, heard boos, committed a turnover, had a shot blocked and missed a hook, and the Knicks' rally ended. His mild numbers were 13 points, 11 rebounds and five painful turnovers, and they pale next to these numbers: three straight losses for the Knicks with six games coming up against playoff teams, four on the road.

"I didn't play well," he said. "That's going to happen. I know what's at stake and what I need to do. The better I play, the more chances my team has to win."

Usually, when a big man comes up big, his team wins. Except these are the Knicks, and this is Curry, still searching for himself. Until he finds what he's looking for, the big man the Knicks need is suiting up for Ohio State now, maybe Chicago later.
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TMS
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11/7/2006  1:32 AM
Curry tonight:

13 points / 11 rebounds in 28 minutes

so far this season he's been 1 of the only positive things we can talk about along w/Q Rich & Nate Robinson's play

sorry, there i go quoting those damn stats again.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-07-2006 01:33 AM]
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11/7/2006  1:38 AM
it's funny b/c this offense is getting eddy his points...and that's it. everybody else looks lost. nate looks good on iso's and quentin is playing well b/c he makes his own offense.

otherwise, this "push" offense is BULLSH T.
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11/7/2006  1:40 AM
I don't put any of the blame for that trade on Curry, it all goes to Isiah, so I don't use that to judge his play.

As for his play, he's been good on offense. He still commits too many offensive fouls and doesn't appear to have improved much but he can be a presence in the post.

Defensively he's pathetic. He can't block shots, he's not a good rebounder, he doesn't know how to play the pick and roll, he doesn't intimidate anybody and his idea of help defense is watching guards go straight to the rim while he prepares to catch the ball coming through the net so he can inbound it.
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11/7/2006  2:03 AM
He's been one of the best players on the team so far and they don't get him the ball enough.
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11/7/2006  7:18 AM
its not Curry's fault that Curry came here in what will go down as one of the worst trades in sports. We are well on our way to putting the Bulls in the Greg Oden sweepstakes
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11/7/2006  8:25 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:

He's been one of the best players on the team so far and they don't get him the ball enough.

On offense.
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11/7/2006  8:36 AM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He's been one of the best players on the team so far and they don't get him the ball enough.

On offense.
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11/7/2006  8:42 AM
Actually Curry has been better defensively than he's been in the past. He's definitely putting more effort into his D. Overall he's doing very well. He could use more touches tho. He could also benefit from Steph, Francis, Jamal and Frye playing better. Those players doing better will create more space for him. When they aren't a threat he will get more attention.

I'll just remind everyone that it's SUPER EARLY and things will likely change for the better in time.
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11/7/2006  8:44 AM
Curry has actually been decent.

The problem is, I was watching those Patrick Ewing highlights yesterday. Right now we need Curry to be Ewing... and he's not. He's just not. That, some interior toughness and a jump shooter is what separates us from being a 50+ win team. Unfortunately, it is what it is. We're still a mediocre team, but at least Curry has been a highlight. I think it's back to we desperately need to get under the cap to make a play at LeBron in three years. Trade Crawford a shorter contract, with the hopes of teaming up LeBron, Curry, Lee, Nate, Frye, Balkman, Jefferies, Collins and a few role players three years down the line? That's our best shot.... I think our only shot.

[Edited by - Solace on 11-07-2006 08:49 AM]
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11/7/2006  9:22 AM
Posted by islesfan:

I don't put any of the blame for that trade on Curry, it all goes to Isiah, so I don't use that to judge his play.

As for his play, he's been good on offense. He still commits too many offensive fouls and doesn't appear to have improved much but he can be a presence in the post.

Defensively he's pathetic. He can't block shots, he's not a good rebounder, he doesn't know how to play the pick and roll, he doesn't intimidate anybody and his idea of help defense is watching guards go straight to the rim while he prepares to catch the ball coming through the net so he can inbound it.

He's not a good rebounder? He just grabbed 11 last night.

He is worlds better in terms of effort on the D & boards. He still could be a lot better, but I think its night and day compared to last year.
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11/7/2006  9:26 AM
Curry is doing well. He is getting better and more consistent with his scoring. His rebound can be more consistent also but it has improved. His court time is getting better also which is what was holding him down. I think slowly he will start to score a lot more than the 15-20 that you get from him. I like his play but I think he can become more dominant. The problem I have is the inability to pass out of a double he needs serious work on that.
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11/7/2006  9:32 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by islesfan:

I don't put any of the blame for that trade on Curry, it all goes to Isiah, so I don't use that to judge his play.

As for his play, he's been good on offense. He still commits too many offensive fouls and doesn't appear to have improved much but he can be a presence in the post.

Defensively he's pathetic. He can't block shots, he's not a good rebounder, he doesn't know how to play the pick and roll, he doesn't intimidate anybody and his idea of help defense is watching guards go straight to the rim while he prepares to catch the ball coming through the net so he can inbound it.


He's not a good rebounder? He just grabbed 11 last night.


He is worlds better in terms of effort on the D & boards. He still could be a lot better, but I think its night and day compared to last year.

I'll put money down next game Curry grabs 4 boards or less. Once he stops doing things like that, then I'll start buying he's maturing as a rebounder.

You can sticky this, bookmark it, whatever. He will have 4 or less boards next game.
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11/7/2006  9:36 AM
Curry: 18.0 ppg, 8.3 rebounds, 0.8 blks, .564 fg%, 3.5 TOs.
Shaq: 14.0 ppg, 7.0 rebounds, 1.5 blks, .500 fg%, 4.0 TOs.
Ming: 25.0ppg , 8.3 rebounds, 1.3 blks, .667 fg%, 3.3 TOs.
llgauskus: 9.0 ppg, 8.3 rbs, 0.7 blks, .409 fg%, 3.7 TOs.
Howard: 14.8 ppg, 10.5 rebounds, 2.75 blks, .59 fg%, 4.25 TOs.

Curry is not the problem.
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11/7/2006  9:40 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Actually Curry has been better defensively than he's been in the past. He's definitely putting more effort into his D. Overall he's doing very well. He could use more touches tho. He could also benefit from Steph, Francis, Jamal and Frye playing better. Those players doing better will create more space for him. When they aren't a threat he will get more attention.

I'll just remind everyone that it's SUPER EARLY and things will likely change for the better in time.

I agree. He is not Ewing, but he has improved defensively since last year. If he continues to grow, I think he might become a decent defender (but he will need to continue to work on that aspect of his game). His rebounding also looks better than last year. He seems to be going after the ball instead of waiting for it to come to him.
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11/7/2006  9:59 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Actually Curry has been better defensively than he's been in the past. He's definitely putting more effort into his D. Overall he's doing very well. He could use more touches tho. He could also benefit from Steph, Francis, Jamal and Frye playing better. Those players doing better will create more space for him. When they aren't a threat he will get more attention.

I'll just remind everyone that it's SUPER EARLY and things will likely change for the better in time.


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11/7/2006  10:31 AM
Posted by izybx:

Curry: 18.0 ppg, 8.3 rebounds, 0.8 blks, .564 fg%, 3.5 TOs.
Shaq: 14.0 ppg, 7.0 rebounds, 1.5 blks, .500 fg%, 4.0 TOs.
Ming: 25.0ppg , 8.3 rebounds, 1.3 blks, .667 fg%, 3.3 TOs.
llgauskus: 9.0 ppg, 8.3 rbs, 0.7 blks, .409 fg%, 3.7 TOs.
Howard: 14.8 ppg, 10.5 rebounds, 2.75 blks, .59 fg%, 4.25 TOs.

Curry is not the problem.

he's been a problem on the defensive end, but he's never been a good defender to begin with... Eddy's shown tremendous improvement in consistently putting forth an effort to be assertive on the offensive end... i'll take that for 4 games into the season... hopefully his defense will improve before the Allstar break, but no doubt he is definitely not the problem this team is having right now... we need our "star players" to step up & be stars.
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11/7/2006  10:39 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by izybx:

Curry: 18.0 ppg, 8.3 rebounds, 0.8 blks, .564 fg%, 3.5 TOs.
Shaq: 14.0 ppg, 7.0 rebounds, 1.5 blks, .500 fg%, 4.0 TOs.
Ming: 25.0ppg , 8.3 rebounds, 1.3 blks, .667 fg%, 3.3 TOs.
llgauskus: 9.0 ppg, 8.3 rbs, 0.7 blks, .409 fg%, 3.7 TOs.
Howard: 14.8 ppg, 10.5 rebounds, 2.75 blks, .59 fg%, 4.25 TOs.

Curry is not the problem.

he's been a problem on the defensive end, but he's never been a good defender to begin with... Eddy's shown tremendous improvement in consistently putting forth an effort to be assertive on the offensive end... i'll take that for 4 games into the season... hopefully his defense will improve before the Allstar break, but no doubt he is definitely not the problem this team is having right now... we need our "star players" to step up & be stars.


I agree. The problem is not Curry. His numbers are comparable with all of the other elite centers in the league. His D is not good, but not bad either. Our problem is that 3/5s of the starting lineup is either playing like complete garbage (frye) or wildly inconsistent (franbury). The fact that our "sixth man" is shooting 21% from the field and 17% from downtown is not helping either. In fact, id say the lone bright spot in our starting lineup (im not counting Q because he probably will sit once JJ comes back) is Curry. So if his good play continues then there is no way that we can say that he is a mistake.


[Edited by - izybx on 11-07-2006 10:40 AM]
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11/7/2006  10:48 AM
Posted by izybx:

Curry: 18.0 ppg, 8.3 rebounds, 0.8 blks, .564 fg%, 3.5 TOs.
Shaq: 14.0 ppg, 7.0 rebounds, 1.5 blks, .500 fg%, 4.0 TOs.
Ming: 25.0ppg , 8.3 rebounds, 1.3 blks, .667 fg%, 3.3 TOs.
llgauskus: 9.0 ppg, 8.3 rbs, 0.7 blks, .409 fg%, 3.7 TOs.
Howard: 14.8 ppg, 10.5 rebounds, 2.75 blks, .59 fg%, 4.25 TOs.

Curry is not the problem.


The haters like to hate no matter what the kid does. He could be averaging 22-12 and they still would hate. The bottom line is he is a work in progress that is improving. He is still only 23 and is already one of the leagues most productive centers
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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11/7/2006  10:50 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by izybx:

Curry: 18.0 ppg, 8.3 rebounds, 0.8 blks, .564 fg%, 3.5 TOs.
Shaq: 14.0 ppg, 7.0 rebounds, 1.5 blks, .500 fg%, 4.0 TOs.
Ming: 25.0ppg , 8.3 rebounds, 1.3 blks, .667 fg%, 3.3 TOs.
llgauskus: 9.0 ppg, 8.3 rbs, 0.7 blks, .409 fg%, 3.7 TOs.
Howard: 14.8 ppg, 10.5 rebounds, 2.75 blks, .59 fg%, 4.25 TOs.

Curry is not the problem.


The haters like to hate no matter what the kid does. He could be averaging 22-12 and they still would hate. The bottom line is he is a work in progress that is improving. He is still only 23 and is already one of the leagues most productive centers

you can throw stats around all you want, but the crowd at the garden booed him. these are the people that pay money to see this team play. they don't boo anybody without reason.
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