Posted by bobs3304:

It's not turnovers or rebounds or shotblocking or fouls.


It's simple -- not only do we not pass enough...but as Kenny Smith would say, we dont pass in scoring positions.

We let ballhogs like Jamal, Francis, and Marbury stall b/c for them that's theire whole game and its hard to teach an old dog new tricks.

Theres no DOUBT in my mind we will eventually have to trade both Jamal, and 1 of Francis/Marbury for this team to ever make it to the playoffs.

Having players that communicate well and are unselfish is what leads to good Team Defense. That, and good defensive players.

We have neither.

Couldnt agree with you more. We definitely have a mix of players who are not winner/ committed to winning. Thank goodness IT pulled a Van Gundy and sat these guys down. I would have sat them down even longer. The guards are hogging up the ball and overdribbling which leads to 1 on 1 play and no cohesion on the offense. The entire team provides no defensive intensity. How many open three's do Parker and Barry have to get? I was extremely angry and felt like bursting out in tears watching our starters ball like that.

We have been loosing for a few years in a row yet some posters think we should still be patient. There is no evidence that things will be turned around anytime soon. Ninety percent of the team along with IT will have to go if we ever want to be a good team again. Anything less than playoffs with our talent is not cutting it. From what most of us "realists"? see so far equates to a team not in playoff contention. Why did the team wait to play with urgency so late in the game?

It took us 3 .....ken overtimes to beat the Grizzlies without their best player. Not good.

The majority of posters on this board probably make less than 6 figures a year and would no doubt in my mind put up a better effort than our starting unit did today.

The NBA is becoming a shadow of it's former self and today's Knicks are the complete opposite of our heroes of the 90's

Change is in order. Refs need to let them play. Change the rules back to the 90's, bring back handchecking and the NYK's : Go back to playing hardnose basketball and solid defense.

What ever happen to the no layup rule and always contesting every shot put up?

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by TMS:

i'd be fine w/trading or dumping Marbury & Francis & letting Nate, Q, Jamal & Mardy take over the backcourt.

Do you really like Jamal. He is worst one out there.

he's regressed but he showed me alot last season... he kept playing hard even when the "stars" on this team quit... i think once u get rid of Marbury & Francis & let him take on that leadership role he can be a much better player than what you're seeing right now.