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11/6/2006  3:02 PM
Knicks dump Layden, hire Thomas
By Roscoe Nance, USA TODAY

NEW YORK — Isiah Thomas isn't promising any quick fixes for the New York Knicks after being named president Monday. One of the NBA's marquee franchises, the Knicks have fallen on hard times. They have missed the playoffs the last two seasons and are 10-18 this year.

"Winning is never a quick fix," Thomas said. "If you want to win, you have to be willing to pay the price, roll up your sleeves and have sustained passion. A lot of people don't want to roll up their sleeves and sustain passion."

Thomas replaces Scott Layden, the Knicks president since 1999. He was contacted by team officials Friday and met with James Dolan, the chairman of the team's corporate owner, Cablevision, and Madison Square Garden President Steve Mills on Saturday.

"I don't think there's any question that everybody is underperforming. Just look at our record," said James Dolan, the chairman of the team's corporate owner, Cablevision. "This is the thing we could do right now to most help the team. That's the bottom line of it."

Thomas' hiring came amid speculation that coach Don Chaney would be fired. It also sparked talk of Thomas replacing Chaney and guiding the team himself since he said he wanted to stay in coaching after the Indiana Pacers fired him over the summer.

Thomas was introduced at a press conference in the same Garden restaurant where Layden made his first public appearance as the Knicks' general manager 4½ years ago.

Calming the waters, however, could be a tough task after Thomas emphasized in several recent interviews that his desire is to return to coaching. That might not bode well for Chaney, who has been coaching the Knicks throughout their decline into insignificance.

"In this environment, when you're not performing as well as you should, speculation is rampant," he said. " That will always be out there because I've had coaching experience. My job is to help Don Chaney, not hurt him."

Chaney coached Thomas on the Detroit Pistons in 1993-94, Thomas' last season as a player.

Thomas said he has only seen the Knicks play on TV, and that he would evaluate the team over the next week to determine what needs to be done to turn it around. "There are a lot of things that don't occur on the court that stop you from winning," he said. " I have to assess what those things are. I have to figure out why we're not winning."

The Knicks have the NBA's highest payroll at $89 million, and Thomas will have difficulty making roster changes.

"Everything that must be done must be changed within," he said. "We have to change culture, the way we do things. It's only us in the locker room. No one is coming to save us."

Layden's last major move was the four-team trade that sent Sprewell to Minnesota and brought Van Horn to New York. The deal has appeared to favor the Timberwolves during the first two months of the season. Sprewell has averaged 17.2 points for Minnesota while Van Horn has struggled, averaging 14.8 points and getting benched for the fourth quarter of several recent games.

Before the Van Horn trade, Layden's biggest move came on draft night in 2002 when he sent Marcus Camby, Mark Jackson and the Knicks' lottery pick — which turned into Brazilian center Nene — to Denver for Antonio McDyess.

McDyess fractured his kneecap in an exhibition game and missed the entire 2002-03 season, finally returning 11 games ago.

With the Knicks losing regularly and failing to draw the sellout crowds that were a staple during the 1990s, Layden became a lightning rod for criticism. The anti-Layden feeling was so strong in New York that when LeBron James was selected with the No. 1 pick in the draft at the Garden last June, commissioner David Stern's announcement of the selection was drowned out by a loud chant of "Fire Layden!"

"I'm going to commend Mr. Dolan because he surprised me the way he pulled the trigger," said film producer Spike Lee, the Knicks' most visible fan. "It was a cool Corleone move, straight up Corleone. It shocked me."

Layden, a native New Yorker and the son of former Jazz coach Frank Layden, spent 18 seasons with Utah before being brought to New York by former Utah executive Dave Checketts.

At the behest of Checketts, Layden traded franchise stalwart Patrick Ewing to Seattle in the summer of 2000, a move that contributed to the current salary cap predicament.

Layden, who did not return a phone message, built his reputation in Utah through his ability to pluck obscure but productive players with low draft picks. But he did not enjoy similar success overseeing the Knicks, who now turn things over to an ex-player and ex-coach with a spotty record as a businessman and manager.

"I wouldn't be standing here if things were going well," Thomas said. "None of us like the situation we're in, and our job is to come in and change that."

Changing of the Garden
Struggling Knicks fire Layden, hire Thomas as president
Posted: Monday December 22, 2003 7:18PM; Updated: Monday December 22, 2003 7:40PM



NEW YORK (AP) -- In a change of leadership that almost no one at Madison Square Garden saw coming, Scott Layden was fired Monday as president of the New York Knicks and was replaced by Isiah Thomas.

The move comes after New York missed the playoffs the past two seasons with a roster largely assembled by Layden. The Knicks are 10-18 this season, and recent speculation centered on coach Don Chaney possibly losing his job.

Instead, the man forced out was Layden, who joined the Knicks in the summer of 1999 after they were coming off an appearance in the NBA Finals.

"I don't think there's any question that everybody is underperforming. Just look at our record," said James Dolan, the chairman of the team's corporate owner, Cablevision. "This is the thing we could do right now to most help the team. That's the bottom line of it."

Thomas has been out of the NBA since being fired over the summer by the Indiana Pacers, where he was the coach for three seasons. He received a phone call from Dolan and Garden president Steve Mills on Friday, then spent Saturday meeting with them.

He was introduced at a press conference in the same Garden restaurant where Layden made his first public appearance as the Knicks' general manager 41/2 years ago.

"We've got players and coaches probably a little bit unsure of what's going on, and my job is to come here and calm the waters," Thomas said.

Calming the waters, however, could be a tough task after Thomas emphasized in several recent interviews that his desire is to return to coaching. That might not bode well for Chaney, who has been coaching the Knicks throughout their decline into insignificance.

Thomas said everyone in the organization will be evaluated, providing no assurances to anyone. Chaney did not speak to reporters after practice Monday morning.

Thomas' first look at his new team will come Tuesday night when former Knick Latrell Sprewell and the Minnesota Timberwolves visit New York.

The task confronting Thomas is a difficult one, whether he tries to tinker with or overhaul an underachieving roster with the league's highest payroll. The contracts of Allan Houston, Keith Van Horn, Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson will take up almost all of the team's salary cap space for the next three seasons.

"Everyone who looks at the cap situation, the first thing they say is, 'You can't fix this, you can't do it,"' Thomas said. "We have to be a team that's very unconventional and very creative in going out and getting players."

Layden's last major move was the four-team trade that sent Sprewell to Minnesota and brought Van Horn to New York. The deal has appeared to favor the Timberwolves during the first two months of the season. Sprewell has averaged 17.2 points for Minnesota while Van Horn has struggled, averaging 14.8 points and getting benched for the fourth quarter of several recent games.

Before the Van Horn trade, Layden's biggest move came on draft night in 2002 when he sent Marcus Camby, Mark Jackson and the Knicks' lottery pick -- which turned into Brazilian center Nene -- to Denver for Antonio McDyess.

McDyess fractured his kneecap in an exhibition game and missed the entire 2002-03 season, finally returning 11 games ago.

With the Knicks losing regularly and failing to draw the sellout crowds that were a staple during the 1990s, Layden became a lightning rod for criticism. The anti-Layden feeling was so strong in New York that when LeBron James was selected with the No. 1 pick in the draft at the Garden last June, commissioner David Stern's announcement of the selection was drowned out by a loud chant of "Fire Layden!"

"I'm going to commend Mr. Dolan because he surprised me the way he pulled the trigger," said film producer Spike Lee, the Knicks' most visible fan. "It was a cool Corleone move, straight up Corleone. It shocked me."

Layden, a native New Yorker and the son of former Jazz coach Frank Layden, spent 18 seasons with Utah before being brought to New York by former Utah executive Dave Checketts. At the behest of Checketts, Layden traded franchise stalwart Patrick Ewing to Seattle in the summer of 2000, a move that contributed to the current salary cap predicament.

Layden, who did not return a phone message, built his reputation in Utah through his ability to pluck obscure but productive players with low draft picks. But he did not enjoy similar success overseeing the Knicks, who now turn things over to an ex-player and ex-coach with a spotty record as a businessman and manager.

"I wouldn't be standing here if things were going well," Thomas said. "None of us like the situation we're in, and our job is to come in and change that."
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11/6/2006  3:05 PM
this is around the time i signed up for the site i believe... I hated layden waaaay more than Isiah
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11/6/2006  3:07 PM
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11/6/2006  3:58 PM
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11/6/2006  10:43 PM
Posted by Elite:

this is around the time i signed up for the site i believe... I hated layden waaaay more than Isiah

Layden is still' my #1 enemy. He ruined our salary cap and made some of the worst Knick deals of all time. Some of us have been saying this about Layden since the 21st century started. When Zeke got here, it was such a refreshing thing. I still believe in Zeke and I still support him in whatever capacity he is in the Knick organization. This man may have sent our aready ruined salary cap further into the next decade, but he also made bolder moves than Layden has ever done. Zeke's not afraid to make those moves and remember, Dolan opened his wallet and said whatever you want to do, do it! And there's a difference right there between Dolan and Zeke. Dolan, instead of staying with a solid plan, by going with Brown for another year and getting this thing turned around, turns around a 'fires' Brown. If Dolan had instead eaten a little of starburys contract, gotten rid of him in a trade (there's your KG deal right there), then we'd still have Brown and Zeke wouldn't be in jepardy of losing his job also. But instead, Dolan fires Brown, might be on the verge of losing Zeke and being stuck in a huge financial mess, having to hire another poor GM and Coach to come and try to cure an already ugly mess created solely by Dolan. Apparently, Dol doesn't have any basketball minds sitting next to him, he has no brain trust he can get feed back from. I know this New York business, if it did have a circle of experience, they couldn't be that' stupid! We're talking about NYC here.

It is my firm beleif that when you make a solid plan and you follow through on that plan, then you 'stick' with that plan, no matter what! You see it through. I think Zeke has tried to do that and had to make some adjustments, a sort of back up plan, by going to the youth movement, when his original plans went South, one being starbury, which was a mistake. Now as far as the problems we are having on this team, that may not be such a mysterious question afterall, when you look at our weaknesses. I think a tweek here and a tweek there, and we can be easily winning these games. We just gotta find out what those problems are and I think Zeke can find that. There's only one thing. Time! Something NYC doesn't live by and that's why I question wether it's the fans and media that is driving this poor play on our team. Maybe someone like LeBron is a lot smarter than we think. Maybe this is why he decided to go back to Cleveland, when he could have signed with us in the very near future. Maybe 'no one' wants to play for us. We don't even have the money to begin with, so we have to work with what we have. LOL to us all!

If anyone wants to criticize Zeke any longer, then read the above articles, the one's that show a positive Zeke and consider everything he's had to deal with and maybe give the man a break for once. I really think this team can be just that, a team!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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11/6/2006  11:01 PM
When ever all else fails, Layden was worse than Isiah?

Hitler was worse than Stalin?

Milli Vanilli was worse than Vanilla Ice.

Does tham make Stalin and vanilla Ice good?

has Hitler and vanilla ice ever been in the same sentance in the history of mankind?

Isiah sucks, maybe not as bad as Layden, but certainly sucks on a much grander scale.

there are failures, and collossal failures. Isiah is on track as one of the biggest sports executive collassal failures ever. Epic Phuch up of unmatched proportions.

does it even matter why anymore?
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11/6/2006  11:03 PM
We still haven't recovered from Layden. He and Larry Brown are primarily responsible for tonight's loss.
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11/6/2006  11:05 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

We still haven't recovered from Layden. He and Larry Brown are primarily responsible for tonight's loss.

I'd like to say that Dolan is primarily responsible for tonight's loss.
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11/6/2006  11:05 PM
Layden put us permanently over the cap and Larry stole our players' joy.
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11/6/2006  11:09 PM
Posted by Nalod:

When ever all else fails, Layden was worse than Isiah?

Hitler was worse than Stalin?

Milli Vanilli was worse than Vanilla Ice.

Does tham make Stalin and vanilla Ice good?

has Hitler and vanilla ice ever been in the same sentance in the history of mankind?

Isiah sucks, maybe not as bad as Layden, but certainly sucks on a much grander scale.

there are failures, and collossal failures. Isiah is on track as one of the biggest sports executive collassal failures ever. Epic Phuch up of unmatched proportions.

does it even matter why anymore?

Then we deserve NOTHING!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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11/9/2006  8:05 AM
Scott Layden did not have a single productive transactio in four years at the helm. Not one. He got four years.

Isiah Thomas is in office for 2.5 years and people are lining up at the stockade to throw rocks at him AND ALL OF HIS PLAYERS.

The media relishes the opportunity for the senastional, rather that seeing a team of young players trying to find their voice. The panty waist fans follow in lockstep to boo at every opportunity.

It's Isiah's fault and that's all that matters.





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11/9/2006  9:13 AM
Hiring ISiah was a media driven event to gain momentum to sell tickets.

Isiah got lots of press which is valuable. Lots of fans were very happy over such a sensational hire to breath life into the Garden which was lacking any engergy.

ANd now we are getting close again to where we are.

The team is better, but the results are similar.

Our youth is better than the vets.

I think had Isiah blowed it up and went with blue chip players it would have better going forward.

But the business model in MSG is not what that is all about!
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11/9/2006  9:26 AM
Say WHAT?

[Edited by - misterearl on 11-09-2006 09:27 AM]
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11/9/2006  9:27 AM

Say What?

>>I think had Isiah blowed it up and went with blue chip players it would have better going forward<<

"Blue chip" players like who exactly?... and how would you propose Isiah acquired these so called "blue chip" players...?

...for Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley and Clarence Weathrspoon no less....

inquiring minds want to know your patented Layden-roster exit strategy Nalod

please


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