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10/25/2006  11:09 PM


GREENBURGH, N.Y., Oct. 25 — Shaquille O’Neal, as he is wont to do, recently mused about potential heirs to his sizable throne. He named three: Orlando’s Dwight Howard, Houston’s Yao Ming and Phoenix’s Amare Stoudemire.

“When age does its thing,” O’Neal told The South Florida Sun-Sentinel, “one of them will become the new master.”

Notably missing from the list of Shaq-sanctioned apprentices was the player once known as “Baby Shaq.” Eddy Curry once wore that mantle, a tribute to his Shaq-like combination of brawn and athleticism. Physically, he remains the closest approximation of O’Neal in the N.B.A.

It is Curry’s personality, it seems, that is denying him All-Star votes and a spot in Master O’Neal’s elite school for ninja centers. And so it was that Tuesday night, in the third quarter of a Knicks exhibition game against the 76ers, Coach Isiah Thomas grabbed Curry and told him, essentially, to be more manly.

“He’s a big man; he’s a nice man,” Thomas said. “But there needs to come a time when it’s ‘Don’t play with Eddy.’ We want him to really have a presence out on the floor.” Thomas clarified that by “presence,” he meant “his manliness.”

At a glance, the 23-year-old Curry cuts an imposing figure: 6 feet 11 inches, 285 pounds, his bulging muscles outlined with tattoos. But the tattoos might as well be of bunnies and daisies.

There is no apparent snarl. Curry is unfailingly polite, good-humored and kind — all fine attributes. But Thomas would like Curry to leave the kindness for Sunday afternoon strolls in the park and bring a little malice to the basketball court.

Thomas said that Curry did not need to pummel anyone or break any rules, but that he had to adopt a posture that intimidated opponents.

“He’s such a big man that he, like Shaq, is officiated differently,” Thomas said. “Because they’re so big, players get away with an extra pull and an extra hit and an extra push. And he’s got to get to the point where he’s not depending on the official to stop that guy from holding him and putting his hands on him. He’s depending on himself to say, ‘The next time you put your hands on me, I’m going to put my hands on you.’ Then it stops.”

There are times when Curry seems primed to dominate a game. He posts up deep, overpowers or zips past his defender and goes strong to the rim, scoring four or five baskets in short order. But those streaks often sputter when opponents start slapping and hacking, leaving Curry frustrated and the Knicks looking elsewhere to score.

So what Thomas wants — and what the Knicks badly need — is for Curry to find a little attitude, and mental toughness, to go with his considerable strength and skill set. This is a sermon that Curry, going into his sixth pro season, has heard many times. But the impromptu chat Tuesday night was a first since Thomas became his coach.

“He doesn’t want anybody to feel like they can touch me out there,” Curry said. “He wants them to feel like if they touch me, they’re going to get hurt. I’ve got to find a way to portray that, legally, so I’m not drawing fouls.”

Thomas said that O’Neal and Patrick Ewing also got pushed around as young players before developing an edge.

“There’s a certain aura that big people eventually grow into,” Thomas said. “It takes a while before they get it. You grow into that guy all of a sudden where everybody walks into the gym and they go, ‘I don’t think I want to mess with him.’ ”

Curry is shooting .707 from the field (29 for 41) and averaging 14.8 points in the preseason. He has been more aggressive on the post and quicker to drive the lane. But as often happened last season, his teammates sometimes forget about him. That rarely happens to O’Neal, who demands the ball and respect.

“We’ve got to do a better job of recognizing when we’ve got a big man hot,” Thomas said.

Curry admitted that his mellow persona could be a detriment on the court. But he is working on it.

“It’s tough, but I’ve just got to kind of develop two personalities,” he said. “I’ve got to be able to go out there and be one person, and once the game is over I’ve got to be another person.”

Asked how he might create that alter ego, Curry quipped, “I’m going to take some acting classes.”

REBOUNDS

The Knicks fortified their frontcourt by signing center Kelvin Cato. A nine-year veteran, Cato split last season between Orlando and Detroit but played sparingly in both places and was not re-signed by the Pistons. Cato has a career average of 1.29 blocks a game and could fill the Knicks’ need for a defensive-minded big man. Jerome James was expected to fill that role but has been sidelined all month because of plantar fasciitis. He is likely to miss the season opener Nov. 1. Cato said he had other offers but chose the Knicks in part because of his friendship with Steve Francis. The two spent six seasons as teammates, in Houston and Orlando. ... The Knicks exercised contract options on Channing Frye, David Lee and Nate Robinson, locking them up through the 2007-8 season. ... The Knicks waived their four training-camp invitees — Elton Brown, Paul Miller, Nikoloz Tskitishvili and Milone Clark.


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10/25/2006  11:21 PM
Isiah gave two number one picks for a giant with a vigina. Thats great Isiah, nice going!

we need......

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10/26/2006  12:02 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Isiah gave two number one picks for a giant with a vigina. Thats great Isiah, nice going!

we need......


Hey he had to take a shot with the kid. There's no one else in the league like him once Shaq is gone. He is SOOOO close to being a dominant force. It's really just a slight adjustment he has to make in his approach to the game. Also his teammates need to make a slight adjustment as well. They have to WANT to help Curry be a force. Curry for his part has to start showing some emition if he doesn't get the ball. I know it's not a good thing when you have a player who lacks a mean streak, but we have to keep trying to get him to change his approach during the game. Maybe we need someone to take on the role of a corner man on the bench to keep getting into Curry's head and talking crap to him to get him amped.
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10/26/2006  12:03 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Hey he had to take a shot with the kid. There's no one else in the league like him once Shaq is gone. He is SOOOO close to being a dominant force. It's really just a slight adjustment he has to make in his approach to the game. Also his teammates need to make a slight adjustment as well. They have to WANT to help Curry be a force. Curry for his part has to start showing some emition if he doesn't get the ball. I know it's not a good thing when you have a player who lacks a mean streak, but we have to keep trying to get him to change his approach during the game. Maybe we need someone to take on the role of a corner man on the bench to keep getting into Curry's head and talking crap to him to get him amped.

I agree with your there Nix.
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10/26/2006  12:06 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by nixluva:

Hey he had to take a shot with the kid. There's no one else in the league like him once Shaq is gone. He is SOOOO close to being a dominant force. It's really just a slight adjustment he has to make in his approach to the game. Also his teammates need to make a slight adjustment as well. They have to WANT to help Curry be a force. Curry for his part has to start showing some emition if he doesn't get the ball. I know it's not a good thing when you have a player who lacks a mean streak, but we have to keep trying to get him to change his approach during the game. Maybe we need someone to take on the role of a corner man on the bench to keep getting into Curry's head and talking crap to him to get him amped.

I agree with your there Nix.

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10/26/2006  12:12 AM
Posted by joec32033:


Twice in one 24 hour period. WTF!.

Whats happening to me Joe?!!?!?!?
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10/26/2006  12:29 AM
Isiah was never going to be able to make this transition happen overnight, but it might help Curry if he played along side a PF with a mean streak.
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10/26/2006  12:31 AM
Here comes the Ronnie Artest trade
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10/26/2006  12:44 AM
You either have that fire inside of you to be the best or you don't. Shaq had it. Ewing had it. Curry doesn't have it.

That's not a knock on Curry, that's just who he is. The NBA highway is littered with physically gifted players who didn't have what it takes to be great.

Instead of trying to make him what he isn't, a dominant franchise player, why don't they try to optimize what he is, a complementary post player.
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10/26/2006  12:51 AM

All its takes for Curry is a little confidence and consistency...He just needs the confidence that he knows he has to be reckoned with when he steps on the court...It can happen...If Clay Aiken can pull it off, anyone can...
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10/26/2006  12:59 AM
Posted by holfresh:


All its takes for Curry is a little confidence and consistency...He just needs the confidence that he knows he has to be reckoned with when he steps on the court...It can happen...If Clay Aiken can pull it off, anyone can...

Does that mean Curry is going to need plastic surgery and hire a stylist too?
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10/26/2006  1:08 AM
As if he braids his own hair.
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10/26/2006  1:15 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:


All its takes for Curry is a little confidence and consistency...He just needs the confidence that he knows he has to be reckoned with when he steps on the court...It can happen...If Clay Aiken can pull it off, anyone can...

Does that mean Curry is going to need plastic surgery and hire a stylist too?

He does have a new hairdo

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10/26/2006  4:20 AM
When Isaiah joined the Knicks, he also asked Kurt Thomas to play that role. Isaiah remembers the days of Rick Mahorn and Bill Laimbeer and wants someone on the Knicks to play that role.
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10/26/2006  5:51 AM
Good post by nix all the way up. Curry has all the tools to be the next big thing. What worries me is his conditioning. Shaq was never out of shape, in LA or now in Miami. Even when they called him fat, she looked fine from an athletes view. Curry looks fat right now! He looks like Sweetney went on a diet.
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10/26/2006  8:20 AM
shaq was out of shape a few times. watch out this year too.

Players get injured when they are either a) old or b) out of shape.

see shaq at the end of his lakers run.
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10/26/2006  8:34 AM
a proper title for this thread would be

"zeke tells curry to grow some balls"
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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10/26/2006  8:43 AM
well, atleast zeke knows where his career lies. Crawford, Curry, Lee, Frye, Balkman, Marbury, Nate, JJ^2...oh, yeah, everyone on the roster.
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10/26/2006  9:05 AM
Maybe Eddy needs an "in your face type of coach" that is not so nice and will push his players instead of being Mr. Rogers.

Oh, we did that already. Maybe We can hire a tough ex badboy as big man coach? Oh, we have that already. Maybe he needs a suplament to his diet to motivate him, oh, almost killed him! Maybe he needs a really nice ex hall of fame player who can coddle him into being mean.

Big Soft Eddy and little Special Nate!
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10/26/2006  9:50 AM
“He’s such a big man that he, like Shaq, is officiated differently,” Thomas said. “Because they’re so big, players get away with an extra pull and an extra hit and an extra push. And he’s got to get to the point where he’s not depending on the official to stop that guy from holding him and putting his hands on him. He’s depending on himself to say, ‘The next time you put your hands on me, I’m going to put my hands on you.’ Then it stops.”

i think Isiah is going about it the right way... let's remember how much he helped big guys like JO & Brad Miller develop their games... both those guys made the Allstar team under his regime i believe... i think Isiah can do wonders for Eddy's game, but the key is Curry has to listen & motivate himself to do the things that Isiah's asking him to do... i think the softer approach will work better than tough love w/Eddy's personality... we'll see what happens this season... i still think he can grow into a dominant C in this league.
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