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SugarRayRichardson
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This will be the 4th year Isiah has been GM or coach. He took over a Layden team that won 37 games. He has totally changed the team. He has made many good moves and several bad moves. But the bottom line is in this 4th year this is 100% Isiahs guys. You cant blame anyone else anymore. He is the coach. He is the GM. Every player on the team is a guy Isiah brought in. So how many games should he have to win to keep his job?
23 wins
24 wins
37 wins
41 wins
42 wins
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holfresh
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10/22/2006  12:21 PM

It's not about the number of victories but where we are as a group at the end of the year...Has Curry and Frye developed into something we can build our Franchise around...Has Isiah showed us what he was thinking when he assembled this group...A low number of victories would answer that question...But the important thing will be player development and style of play...
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SugarRayRichardson
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10/22/2006  12:23 PM
He took over a team that won 37 games and 4 years later 24 wins is all he has to win to save his job? WOW! Shocking. Why even set the bar so high? Why not 5 wins?
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/22/2006  12:27 PM
He just has to win one more game than Larry did. Didn't Larry win 23 games last year?
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SugarRayRichardson
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10/22/2006  12:28 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

He just has to win one more game than Larry did. Didn't Larry win 23 games last year?

LOL if LB won 24 games this year people would go nuts (with good reason) but for Isiah its ok after 3-4 years. Crazy
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/22/2006  12:59 PM
IT needs to win at least 37 games IMO. If the team was a 37 win team when he got here, he should be able to match that victory total after 3 years given that the team with through a rebuilding. As I have stated before, my goal for the team is to make the playoffs. If I were Dolan, I would need to see the team either (1) make the playoffs or miss the playoffs by 1 or 2 games in the last week or so; or (2) show significant improvement in team chemistry and the play of several key players and win at least 37-38 games. Anything less and I would have to seriously consider getting rid of IT. Not saying he would have to be fired, but Dolan would have to seriously consider it.
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10/22/2006  1:13 PM
I expect good things from this team. Serious improvement means 42+ wins.
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10/22/2006  1:33 PM
45. Minimum.
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10/22/2006  3:06 PM
There's too much focus on winning. The important thing is that the players are happy and feel good about themselves again.

Winning isn't everything. Being happy, skipping along and singing a song, picking flowers and nurturing each other - that's what it's all about.

The Knicks are already winners. They've won "the game of life."
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10/22/2006  3:16 PM


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Take off the gloomy mask of tragedy,
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10/22/2006  3:56 PM
i expect them to double lb's win total, but the playoffs is make or break for me...whatever win total is the playoffs, is ok by me.

playoffs...that's why we have season tickets.
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10/22/2006  4:29 PM
It's all so subjective by Dolan. Theoretically we could win just 23 games but if they're all close games he could consider that "significant improvement."

I think a lot of it may depend on the availability of a superior replacement. If not Isiah, then who?
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10/22/2006  4:33 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

It's all so subjective by Dolan. Theoretically we could win just 23 games but if they're all close games he could consider that "significant improvement."

I think a lot of it may depend on the availability of a superior replacement. If not Isiah, then who?
It's about money to Dolan. He's gonna care more about ticket and jersey sales than win totals.
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10/22/2006  5:10 PM
tickets and jersey sales tend to follow wins and playoff success.
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wsdm
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10/22/2006  5:29 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

tickets and jersey sales tend to follow wins and playoff success.
Then why is Marbury always a top 5 jersey seller?
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bigbeast
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10/22/2006  5:32 PM
Posted by holfresh:


It's not about the number of victories but where we are as a group at the end of the year...Has Curry and Frye developed into something we can build our Franchise around...Has Isiah showed us what he was thinking when he assembled this group...A low number of victories would answer that question...But the important thing will be player development and style of play...


Exactly. It depends on the development of the team and especially the young core.

BTW, how can anyone compare this team to that 37 win team that he took over. Shandon Anderson, Spoon, Doleac etc didn't present a hopefull future of winning basketball. Had that team stayed together, the record would have plumented (the East is much better now than it was then)and eventually would have posted a similar record to last yrs team minus the sideshows, a coach with an agenda etc. That team 4 yrs ago would have posted a 23 win record because that team was built for present-day-mediocrity with a blind-eye for the future.

Say what you want about Zeke, but this team does have a hoefull future. Lee Curry, Frye, Nate, Craw have more potential than any one of the players Layden acquired.




[Edited by - bigbeast on 10-22-2006 6:45 PM]
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Panos
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10/22/2006  5:45 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

Say what you want about Zeke, but this team does have a hoefull future. Lee Curry, Frye, Nate, Craw have more potential than any one of the players Layden acquired.

Perhaps, but none of those players is a championship franchise player.
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10/22/2006  5:47 PM
BTW, why bother mentioning Nate? Nate will never be a starter in this league unless for a bottom 5 team. He may be a good spark plug off the bench, but he's not work wetting your sheets about.
bigbeast
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10/22/2006  5:50 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by bigbeast:

Say what you want about Zeke, but this team does have a hopefull future. Lee Curry, Frye, Nate, Craw have more potential than any one of the players Layden acquired.

Perhaps, but none of those players is a championship franchise player.

I totally agree with that statement. But I do believe that those guys can be intricate pieces to put around a star player or 2 and be in contetion for a championship.


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10/22/2006  6:12 PM
For me, it's not about wins. If this team really improves then he can keep his job. If the team is playing good defense and good offense then thats all that really matters to me.
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10/22/2006  6:20 PM
37 will be enough
It's 14 up
Even Dolan should understand - to improve it even better one should be a magician not a couch
In any case more that 33 is hardly unlikely
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