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BigC
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10/22/2006  10:00 AM
Even though Curry and Frye came into camp in shape they still have me worried. I still feel neither Frye nor Curry will not get it done on the defensive end. I still see these two letting too many of our opponents being able to drive to the hole. Also if Frye and Curry can't get it together they will find themselves also fouling out of many games or being foul trouble. Many times Frye seems as though he is taking hack a player lessons from Jerome James.



[Edited by - BigC on 10-22-2006 10:03 AM]
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10/22/2006  10:04 AM
frye 12 boards, 2 blocks.
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10/22/2006  10:15 AM
Last night was the first preseason game I was able to watch. The thing with Frye is sometimes he looks like a center to me only because he doesnt have the quicks to guard the majority of PF's who can play on the perimeteter. Then there are times like last night when a 6'9 Perkins out muscled Frye a few times in the post last night that tells you he isn't strong enough to deal with legit centers (and Perkins is far from a legit center) in the post.

With this new motion offense, I didn't see Marb/Frye run any pick and rolls together which is a stregnth of both. Hope Zeke finds it usefull to include the pick and roll at least once in a while with those 2.
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10/22/2006  10:17 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

frye 12 boards, 2 blocks.


You really think this is a realistic stat in a game that we got blown out?

T.Ratliff DNP
B.Scalabrine DNP
M.Olowokandi DNP



Frye has me worried in general. He is known to commit silly fouls. The forward position is one of the most stacked position in the NBA.


[Edited by - BigC on 10-22-2006 10:18 AM]
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10/22/2006  10:20 AM
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It was also a game where victory was not necessarily paramount. Following a close and hard-fought first seven minutes, Thomas brought in end-of-the-bench free agents Milone Clark, Elton Brown, and Paul Miller way earlier than usual -- and the game was never fully competitive after that. “I wanted to see what they can do against some of the best players in the league such as Paul Pierce and Wally Szczerbiak,” said the coach. “Tonight, that was the most important thing. It really disrupted the rhythm and the flow. We were never able to get back in it.”
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10/22/2006  10:23 AM
Miller and Brown played like 10 minutes .
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10/22/2006  10:26 AM
miller, clark and brown played like 10 minutes AT THE SAME TIME.
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10/22/2006  10:32 AM
Go check at what point they enter the game. And also see if Paul Pierce was on the court.

Also my opinion of Frye and Curry is not coming from just a preseason I am also going looking at their defense last year.
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10/22/2006  10:34 AM
the game flow chart on this page shows a good indicator:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=261021002

also, lee only got 9 minutes.

but still, frye got 12 boards and he supposedly can't rebound (albeit 10 were defensive...I'm still not sure which are better).

so, frye picks up 12 boards and we completely ignore it. If anyting, you should be concerned with Curry.

THe knicks are going to ride curry until he can be stopped (double team) or stops himself (offensive fouls, turnovers) and then run with lee and frye.

playing them together hinges on Frye's ability to stay out of foul trouble, rebound, block shots and hit the open jumper.

If you expect them to be the second coming of the twin towers in frye's second year and curry still a baby, then you truly are ROOTING for Disappointment.

The scrubs let the game get away, and this being preseason, there is no point is running your team into the ground to come back and win so seatsblue, blueseats and Islesfat can wait another preseason game to belittle the knicks and isiah.

We lost...it was one of those games.

Frye and Curry and Lee will be a great trifecta in the front court...used in the proper combinations, we can handle ANY leagues front court.

Frye C Lee PF
Curry C Lee PF
Curry C Frye PF
Curry C Frye PF Lee SF

you toss in the JJ brothers and the front court is in good shape until the curryFrye front court matures into an all star combination.

for now, be happy with the progress...12 boards and 2 blocks from Frye in a game that doesn't count.

Preseason is situation bball...meaning zeke is looking at what we got and playing to different situations.
“We got out of the way we like to play. We are still a work in progress. But for me, as a coach, it was good to see the team under stress and how the player react.”

“Some guys passed, some guys failed. I was really pleased to see the way Brown came in. I was really intrigued by his play.”

The Knicks opened the game well, leading 15-14 on pretty plays by Marbury, Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford. Boston responded with a 17-6 run against the young guys leading 31-21 at the end of the quarter.

The game then got out of hand.

in summary, the sky is not falling.
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10/22/2006  10:38 AM
last year was fantasy...nobody is going to play like they did last year.

So, you're opinion is actually coming from JUST the PRESEASON.

the offense is different, the players are being given roles, and the combination of the front court has produced a 3-1 record.

Another interesting quote:http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/nykbos_061021.html
That’s clearly no longer the case. How hard and how enthusiastically have the Knicks played during their 3-0 preseason start? They’ve led the NBA in defensive field goal percentage (40.9 per cent) – and defense, as everyone in the know knows, is a ”will” skill.

Posted by BigC:

Go check at what point they enter the game. And also see if Paul Pierce was on the court.

Also my opinion of Frye and Curry is not coming from just a preseason I am also going looking at their defense last year.

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10/22/2006  10:45 AM
Ive said over and over again that combo doesnt defend or rebound well enough to start together. You can look at the 12 boards Frye collected or you can look at the 15 offesive boards that Bos got
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10/22/2006  10:47 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

frye 12 boards, 2 blocks.
Frye and Curry 14 rebounds and Gomes and Perkins had 7 offensive boards between them. THATS the real problem and will be all year. Kinda hard to have quick offense when you can control the defensive glass.

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10/22/2006  10:50 AM
I would not say the sky is already fallen. We might already be in the cloud with our fog light being out.

Frye and Curry have a habit of being foul prone. As far as the two JJ's. We don't know which James is going to show up and Jeffries will be out some weeks. This is like leaving us with only Lee as our center/pf? Isiah needs to either sign a big body like Cato or Curry and Frye better play like they have never played before.
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10/22/2006  10:55 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

last year was fantasy...nobody is going to play like they did last year.

So, you're opinion is actually coming from JUST the PRESEASON.

the offense is different, the players are being given roles, and the combination of the front court has produced a 3-1 record.

I noticed how you stated that the offense will be different. Yet no mention that our defense will be better. When in fact the topic is more focus on our frontcourt's lack of defense.


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10/22/2006  11:04 AM
my thoughts are the defense will be a work in progress and can only be improved with effort.

Also, the rotations will play a major role in the defense of the knicks.

We are currently lacking big man depth, but Malik Rose is back in a little over a week, so that makes us a top defensive team in the league.

Seriously, I'm not worried, the knicks front court will be used in the same manner as grand momma and mourning, and previously shaq and mourning.

Frye's job will be to hustle to rebounds, patrol the paint and hit the open jumper.

Curry's job is to score and get the other team's front court into foul trouble.

Frye's silly fouls don't worry me as much as lee's shaky jumper.
Curry's offensive fouls don't worry me as much as Lee's inexperience.

Start curry and frye and end the internet fantasy league mock GMing of starting lee over either of them.

But, to summarize my opinion of the thread (don't freak out fish) I am in agreement that the frontcourt of Frye and Curry have me concerned as well.

But my concerns are more around youth and inexperience than skill and desire.
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10/22/2006  11:23 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

my thoughts are the defense will be a work in progress and can only be improved with effort.

Also, the rotations will play a major role in the defense of the knicks.

We are currently lacking big man depth, but Malik Rose is back in a little over a week, so that makes us a top defensive team in the league.

Seriously, I'm not worried, the knicks front court will be used in the same manner as grand momma and mourning, and previously shaq and mourning.

Frye's job will be to hustle to rebounds, patrol the paint and hit the open jumper.

Curry's job is to score and get the other team's front court into foul trouble.

Frye's silly fouls don't worry me as much as lee's shaky jumper.
Curry's offensive fouls don't worry me as much as Lee's inexperience.

Start curry and frye and end the internet fantasy league mock GMing of starting lee over either of them.

But, to summarize my opinion of the thread (don't freak out fish) I am in agreement that the frontcourt of Frye and Curry have me concerned as well.

But my concerns are more around youth and inexperience than skill and desire.

Good points. Lee might not be the only one who can't shoot. Jeffries, Balkman, and Lee might cause this team to one of the worst foul lines shooting team in the league.

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10/22/2006  12:05 PM
Frye's averaging 7 1/2 rbs in 22 min. He's outrebounding David Lee in the sampe mpg! Curry's the one to worry about.
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10/22/2006  12:51 PM
I saw the game last night and think Frye's rebounding has improved since last year. However, I did see him get outmuscled for a few rebounds. He still has a ways to go before I would say he is a good rebounder. We just have to see if he continues to improve in that area or becomes stagnant. At this point, I would consider him a very average rebounder.
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10/22/2006  8:23 PM
Channing frye will continue to get pushed around, the guys gained what 5lbs of muscle up top ?

What he needs to do is get a stronger base, his legs need to get stronger to position himself better in defending opponents or he will always stay in foul trouble.

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Posted by playa2:

Channing frye will continue to get pushed around, the guys gained what 5lbs of muscle up top ?

What he needs to do is get a stronger base, his legs need to get stronger to position himself better in defending opponents or he will always stay in foul trouble.

[Edited by - playa2 on 10-22-2006 8:24 PM]

15lbs, but I agree, it's down low where he needs the weight.
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