http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/rankings?pos=9

Curry is only 9th. I hope Butler gets hit by a bus just so I dont have to hear about it. Seriously tho I think he will have a big season. Moronic mistake to let him go.

these ratings are insain... this guy has no idea wtf he is talking about... Butler is better than ben wallace? haha.. ok

HAHAHAHAH!! Butler over Big Ben, Brad Miller, Nene, Okur? Wow!! I agree with Elite. This list if complete bull****. P.S: I hope jackie doesnt get hit by anything.

and Devin Harris over Jason Kidd... HOW DOES THIS GUY HAVE A JOB SERIOUSLY?

Butler is 21 and showed unreal improvement in one season in a couple of years he is going to be a very solid post presence.....

Ben Wallace 16 million or Jackie Butler for 1.5million, i love ben but he is going to continue to decline and the picstons aren't going to miss him that much, that kid maxiell will provide similiar number and intensity very soon..... Still wish we could have found a way to get Darko he is going to be good in a few years

Posted by MS:

Butler is 21 and showed unreal improvement in one season in a couple of years he is going to be a very solid post presence.....

Ben Wallace 16 million or Jackie Butler for 1.5million, i love ben but he is going to continue to decline and the picstons aren't going to miss him that much, that kid maxiell will provide similiar number and intensity very soon..... Still wish we could have found a way to get Darko he is going to be good in a few years

I dont know if i would go as far as to call it unreal but yeah butler did show some good improvement and at times it was better to have him in the game instead of curry, i also agree that like most of the players that played hard last year he didnt play as much as he should have, but I dont think butler has all that much potential to get really bent out of shape over losing him. even though i would prefer him to big snacks. and asd elite already mentioned that list is retarded so... cant read too much into that.

PER can sometimes be misleading when a player plays only a few minutes per game. Although it normalizes for minutes played, it can't really take into account the factor that when someone actually plays more minutes, there is some diminishing return to their overall production.

That being said, Jackie Butler was easily the most underrated Knick last year and extremely productive for the limited minutes he got. He's gonna be the best bargain in Free Agency, bar none IMO.

[Edited by - vdesai on 10-19-2006 12:12 PM]

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by VDesai:

PER can sometimes be misleading when a player plays only a few minutes per game. Although it normalizes for minutes played, it can't really take into account the factor that when someone actually plays more minutes, there is some diminishing return to their overall production.

That being said, Jackie Butler was easily the most underrated Knick last year and extremely productive for the limited minutes he got. He's gonna be the best bargain in Free Agency, bar none IMO.

[Edited by - vdesai on 10-19-2006 12:12 PM]

no doubt... horrible move letting him go, especially after releasing Mo

Agreed. He would have been a very nice backup C. He may have actually played better than Curry last year, for that matter.

Posted by simrud:

Butler was a victim of IT ego.

He was making Curry and JJ look bad. How is IT going to justify some minimum contract pickup from the CBA outplaing both of his megamillion centers day and day out?

So he traded he let him sign out of sight and out of mind in SA where he will only get to play a complementary role to Duncan along our other center who is better than Curry and JJ, Mohammed.

how exactly would that make Isiah look bad when Isiah's the one who picked Butler out of the CBA pool of talent & gave him a shot to begin with? if anything that would make him look like an even better judge of young talent, no? i think letting Butler go was not a choice Isiah made, but one that was dictated by Dolan.

[Edited by - TMS on 10-19-2006 1:12 PM]

Posted by Elite:

Butler was worse than Curry on defense tho lets not forget this...

disagree

I dont know guys - I cant tell you how many times i would see a play break down on defense, look back at the replay and see that it was a result of Jackie Butler standing under the basket with a thumb up his ass.....