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10/14/2006  3:15 PM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/42698/20061014/bad_knee_sidelines_sweetney/
Bad Knee Sidelines Sweetney
Chicago Tribune - Michael Sweetney missed practice Friday and had an MRI test to try to determine why his right knee is swollen.

Coach Scott Skiles said Sweetney would accompany the Bulls on their upcoming trip for two exhibition games, but the forward isn't expected to play.

This marks the latest setback for Sweetney, who battled weight and conditioning problems all last season. He also missed one practice the first week of training camp because of dehydration
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10/14/2006  10:09 PM
so, basically we traded tyrus thomas for curry.
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10/14/2006  10:11 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

so, basically we traded tyrus thomas for curry.

Technically it was Ty Thomas, Fat Albert, and a future #1 for The Stay Puft Marshmallow man and a future #2.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-14-2006 10:15 PM]
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10/15/2006  12:28 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by rvhoss:

so, basically we traded tyrus thomas for curry.

Technically it was Ty Thomas, Fat Albert, and a future #1 for The Stay Puft Marshmallow man and a future #2.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-14-2006 10:15 PM]

We did not give up 2 #1 picks..
We are switching picks with the Bulls if they have a better record.
That is completely different than a total loss of a pick.
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10/15/2006  12:37 AM
Posted by nyvector16:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by rvhoss:

so, basically we traded tyrus thomas for curry.

Technically it was Ty Thomas, Fat Albert, and a future #1 for The Stay Puft Marshmallow man and a future #2.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-14-2006 10:15 PM]

We did not give up 2 #1 picks..
We are switching picks with the Bulls if they have a better record.
That is completely different than a total loss of a pick.

If the Bulls finish with somewhere around the 26-29th pick (which is totally possible), and if we finish with the 10 pick (which is also possible even with a 12 win improvement)...we gave up a 1st round pick for nothing more than a glorified second round pick.
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10/15/2006  12:46 AM
LOL spin spin spin. If the Bulls finish with a top 3-6 record? Last year they werent even a winning team!
That would still be a 1st round pick for a lesser 1st round pick. The first round is 30 picks. You dont get to change how long the first round is based on your wanting to win an argument.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

LOL spin spin spin. If the Bulls finish with a top 3-6 record? Last year they werent even a winning team!
That would still be a 1st round pick for a lesser 1st round pick. The first round is 30 picks. You dont get to change how long the first round is based on your wanting to win an argument.

The Bulls have a ton of young talent, who all played very well last year, I expect they are going to be playing even better this year. I guess to some people, only the Knicks young players get better and the rest of the leagues young players stay the same? Add Ben Wallace and Tyrus Thomas to this team and you got one hell of a basketball team, by the way, the Bulls have Duhon, Deng and Ty Thomas ALL coming off the bench. The team has depth.

Slice it any way you want, the pick the Knicks get from the Bulls is NOT going to be a good pick. Say whatever you want about how long the first round is, but the Knicks will be trading a better player to the Bulls on draftday.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-15-2006 12:52 AM]
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10/15/2006  12:54 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

LOL spin spin spin. If the Bulls finish with a top 3-6 record? Last year they werent even a winning team!
That would still be a 1st round pick for a lesser 1st round pick. The first round is 30 picks. You dont get to change how long the first round is based on your wanting to win an argument.

The Bulls have a ton of young talent, who all played very well last year, I expect they are going to be playing even better this year. I guess to some people, only the Knicks young players get better and the rest of the leagues young players stay the same? Add Ben Wallace and Tyrus Thomas to this team and you got one hell of a basketball team. The Bulls have Duhon, Deng and Ty Thomas coming off the bench. The pick the Knicks get from the Bulls is NOT going to be a good pick. Say whatever you want about how long the first round is, but the Knicks will be trading a better player to the Bulls on draftday.

Maybe so but the Bulls were 41-41 last year not 55-28. They are not going to be a top 3-6 team this year in my opinion. I dont see them nearly as good as you make them out. In fact they didnt look anything special the other night.
So they are starting Ben wallace and PJ Brown? Wow talk about a no post game all outside shooting team.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/15/2006  1:08 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

LOL spin spin spin. If the Bulls finish with a top 3-6 record? Last year they werent even a winning team!
That would still be a 1st round pick for a lesser 1st round pick. The first round is 30 picks. You dont get to change how long the first round is based on your wanting to win an argument.

I don't care if I win the argument or not. There is a better than average chance that the Bulls will finish with a much better record this year (they can be a 50 win team) and have a team built for the playoffs with their defense.

We can also do fairly well-but you do realize just to get to .500 is an 18 win improvement, right? Take a look. Seattle finished with a 35 and 47 record. They were in line to get the 10th pick-That is a 12 win improvement for us. Orlando had 36 wins, they were 11, and New Orleans had 38 wins(a 15 game improvement) and was in line for the 12 pick(http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/lottery_0607.html) That we have to incorporate 2 shoot first PG's-who didn't play well together the first time- into a brand new system? That defense is a huge liability to us?

These are not pessimistic musings these are facts. Chicago is a team that has been together for 4 years now. They lost only Chandler (who was a disappointment there averaging 5 points, 9 rebounds and 1.4 blks. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tyson_chandler/index.html)this off season(http://www.sportsline.com/nba/teams/transactions/CHI) and gained PJ Brown(9 pts, 7 rebs. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/pj_brown/index.html)and Ben Wallace (7 pts, 11 rebs, 1.2 stls, and 2.4 blks. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ben_wallace/index.html) and they STILL ALSO got Ty Thomas who was being considered as the 1st pick in the draft, Added another solid pick in Theo Sefolasha, and obtained a Nocioni clone in Viktor Kryapa(6pts, 4.4 rebs, started 53 games out of 69 he played in for the Blazers).

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-15-2006 01:12 AM]

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-15-2006 01:16 AM]
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10/15/2006  1:57 AM
If you put the picks in the context of the 2007 Draft... which is speculated to be one of the biggest ever(talent wise) then you could see objectively that we will be adding a talented player through the draft next year regardless of what records anyone has at the end of the season.
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10/15/2006  7:50 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

so, basically we traded tyrus thomas for curry.
Balkman > Ty Thomas!
JK! Someone had to start the comparison!
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10/15/2006  8:16 AM
Posted by nyvector16:

If you put the picks in the context of the 2007 Draft... which is speculated to be one of the biggest ever(talent wise) then you could see objectively that we will be adding a talented player through the draft next year regardless of what records anyone has at the end of the season.

By this quote are you saying there will be no difference talent wise between pick say 10 and pick say 26?
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10/15/2006  8:17 AM
something like that.
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10/15/2006  8:18 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by nyvector16:

If you put the picks in the context of the 2007 Draft... which is speculated to be one of the biggest ever(talent wise) then you could see objectively that we will be adding a talented player through the draft next year regardless of what records anyone has at the end of the season.

By this quote are you saying there will be no difference talent wise between pick say 10 and pick say 26?

I think he's saying simply that you're downplaying a 20s pick too much. It could easily be another David Lee type player, which would be great for the team.
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Posted by rvhoss:

something like that.

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10/15/2006  8:22 AM
Posted by wsdm:
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Posted by nyvector16:

If you put the picks in the context of the 2007 Draft... which is speculated to be one of the biggest ever(talent wise) then you could see objectively that we will be adding a talented player through the draft next year regardless of what records anyone has at the end of the season.
I can agree with that, but I'd rather have a top 10 pick than a late 1st rounder when it comes down to it in this situation. We argued this last year. Sure there is talent but the better talent gets taken sooner.
By this quote are you saying there will be no difference talent wise between pick say 10 and pick say 26?

I think he's saying simply that you're downplaying a 20s pick too much. It could easily be another David Lee type player, which would be great for the team.

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10/15/2006  8:29 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by nyvector16:

If you put the picks in the context of the 2007 Draft... which is speculated to be one of the biggest ever(talent wise) then you could see objectively that we will be adding a talented player through the draft next year regardless of what records anyone has at the end of the season.
I can agree with that, but I'd rather have a top 10 pick than a late 1st rounder when it comes down to it in this situation. We argued this last year. Sure there is talent but the better talent gets taken sooner.By this quote are you saying there will be no difference talent wise between pick say 10 and pick say 26?

I think he's saying simply that you're downplaying a 20s pick too much. It could easily be another David Lee type player, which would be great for the team.
I think the bold part is your new reply. Just to be fair, you are getting Eddy Curry out of it. You're not just switching #10 and 26 with no compensation. I'd still agree that I'd rather have pick #10, but I haven't given up all hope for Curry proving me wrong.
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10/15/2006  8:34 AM
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by nyvector16:

If you put the picks in the context of the 2007 Draft... which is speculated to be one of the biggest ever(talent wise) then you could see objectively that we will be adding a talented player through the draft next year regardless of what records anyone has at the end of the season.
I can agree with that, but I'd rather have a top 10 pick than a late 1st rounder when it comes down to it in this situation. We argued this last year. Sure there is talent but the better talent gets taken sooner.By this quote are you saying there will be no difference talent wise between pick say 10 and pick say 26?

I think he's saying simply that you're downplaying a 20s pick too much. It could easily be another David Lee type player, which would be great for the team.
I think the bold part is your new reply. Just to be fair, you are getting Eddy Curry out of it. You're not just switching #10 and 26 with no compensation. I'd still agree that I'd rather have pick #10, but I haven't given up all hope for Curry proving me wrong.

And I said that we got Stay Puft when I went through the origional trade. I'd rther have the two picks than Curry. Main reason the two picks give us alot of flexibility and I think if we could put Channing at C, and Lee at PF and be fine.
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