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joec32033
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10/12/2006  9:30 AM
Isiah pulls a fast one

BY MITCH LAWRENCE
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Stephon Marbury should be key to Knicks' plans for up-tempo offense, much like his old team in Phoenix.
For those attending the Knicks' preseason opener tomorrow night at the Garden against the Nets, don't count on seeing the New York Suns.

With Larry Brown's deliberate halfcourt offense a distant memory, Isiah Thomas wants the Knicks to resemble the high-octane Suns, at least in some respects. Fans should just remember that he doesn't have Steve Nash to work with or the record-setting three-point shooters Phoenix coach Mike D'Antoni has at his disposal.

"We won't be as good as they are at it," Thomas conceded yesterday after practice in Greenburgh. "But I think the whole league is moving that way. I watched a couple of exhibition games last night, and even (Jeff) Van Gundy is starting to play a little faster. So it's a league where right now the pace is quicker. You've got to have good guards to play that way. I think we've got four good guards to keep the tempo at a certain level that we like to play at. Now we've got to get good at executing at a fast pace and thinking at a fast pace. The cream of the cream is Phoenix, the way they've been able to do it."

Phoenix's system is so prolific, its scoring average fell off only two points last season, from 110 to 108, even with Amare Stoudemire missing all but a couple of games.

And while they play only token defense, the Suns still have made the Western Conference finals the last two seasons. Last year they racked up 837 three-pointers, a league record and 517 more than the Knicks.

For the Knicks, just getting to the playoffs by using a faster offense would represent dramatic improvement. But to ask them to do what Phoenix does seems a little much. No Knick knows that better than ex-Sun Quentin Richardson, who is skeptical that Stephon Marbury could morph into Nash, the reigning two-time MVP.

"That's a hard job to ask (Stephon), especially the way that Steve Nash does it," Richardson said earlier in camp. "That's something that Steve has a passion for. He gets satisfaction getting guys the ball.

"He's a lot different than probably anybody in the world. There's been games when Steve scored five points but had 20 assists and he's ecstatic. He's happier than if he had scored 30. People are just not like that."

Marbury certainly doesn't think pass-first like Nash. But the Knicks' ability to play like Phoenix goes beyond their point guard's limitations. They would need a mental makeover.

"The whole key to it is unselfishness," Richardson said. "When I was in Phoenix, Amare might go four or five straight plays without getting the ball. Everything happens so fast, we might shoot threes before he could even cross halfcourt.

"When you play an up-tempo style of game, sometimes guys can get overlooked, or maybe they don't get the ball for a couple of plays in a row. But if everybody is being unselfish, nobody takes that personally. Nobody thinks, 'I'm getting frozen out.' But you have to accept that."


1st bolded part- It's really not a huge deal but I gotta ask a question-Why does Isiah constantly refer to other coaches doing things a certain way so he can justify doing things that way himself? Can't he just say, I built the team to do it this way and this way gives us the best chance to win without involving another coach?


2nd Bold part-I can't WAIT to see when Isiah names Steph, Q, and Craw co-captains. It's gonna be like them old time Royal Rumbles from the WWF!

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-12-2006 09:31 AM]
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10/12/2006  9:45 AM
Clearly because the Suns were going to draft Balkman, there style of play would be perfect for the knicks, a team whose best facilitator might be David Lee

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10/12/2006  9:48 AM
1st bolded part- It's really not a huge deal but I gotta ask a question-Why does Isiah constantly refer to other coaches doing things a certain way so he can justify doing things that way himself? Can't he just say, I built the team to do it this way and this way gives us the best chance to win without involving another coach?

I think he's doing that for the media sake and the buzz it creates. Fans hear Phoenix East and they get excited.
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10/12/2006  9:49 AM
I hear Phoenix East I get constipated
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10/12/2006  11:52 AM
This team played best when it played faster last year. When they scored more and with a higher effficiency they played better. I believe 17 of our 23 wins came when the team scored 97 or more points. That's not too hard to grasp. As you know for the season we averaged just 95.6ppg. We don't have a ton of great high % shooters, but we have players that can effectively attack the basket. The more times we take it to the hole the better. We will get more FT's and that will only help this team. Most teams don't have good enough Defense to play fast. When LB had us slow it down to a crawl, he made it easier for teams to defend us. We have 4 guards who are quick and elusive and you don't want them going slow. That's just a HUGE waste of their natural gifts.

Obviously we can't play exactly the way PHX does. The way we play will be different, but with a similar higher pace and aggressiveness. We just won't be chucking 3's as much as they do. We'll still feature a halfcourt aspect to our game, but even that will have more motion to it than we had last year. When PHX gets into a halfcourt situation, they aren't really looking for a post up. Nash will often probe the defense with his dribble pennetration until the defense is forced to react to him and then he makes the pass to a teammate. I don't expect that we'll run our halfcourt like that. We'll go into some motion at that point and the cuts and rubs we use will create one on one or wide open plays. This will make things easier for Curry and Frye to get off since teams will have a hard time being able to double our bigs. It will also make things tougher on the opposing team. We never really put pressure on other teams last year. Now we will. I like that. Let's force teams to adjust to US for a change.

If you don't want to see this team play better offense and defense then fine, but we needed a better attack than we had. One that fits our players better.
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10/12/2006  12:01 PM
If you don't want to see this team play better offense and defense then fine, but we needed a better attack than we had. One that fits our players better.

Where do you come up with this nonsense? Stop trying to be the positivity patrol and just talk basketball. Your points carry more weight when you do that.

I agree with you that we will use our quickness and guard speed to an advantage. It still doesn't make sense that Isiah wanted this and then went out and hired a guy who has 30 years of slowing down the ball come into coach. But I digress. I think the key will be how the team decides to play defense and how they respond to negative situations. How do you feel a guard dominated offense will affect Curry and Frye? Will they be turned into role players or will we ultimately find a way to run the offense through them?
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10/12/2006  12:04 PM
Great post nixluva.

In addition, this year the players will know the plays. If you read the players comments from today's articles, at least Francis and I think one other player, expressed that LB was constantly changing the plays. No one had a clear idea of what they were supposed to be doing, which I think is the main reason we led the league in turnovers last year. This year players will know what they are supposed to be doing on offense and the offense will be geared towards their strengths. We will not match the Suns' offense, but I see no reason why our offense cannot be in the top-3 in the East. With a more efficient offense, we will have less turnovers and make the other team take the ball out of the basket more often, which will allow us to get back on defense and setup. Thus, the new offense should not only help us score more but should also help us defend if the players are committed.
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10/12/2006  12:17 PM
In addition, this year the players will know the plays. If you read the players comments from today's articles, at least Francis and I think one other player, expressed that LB was constantly changing the plays.

Larry did this everywhere. Billiups hated it in Detroit. Francis was here for half a season and looked stoned.
. No one had a clear idea of what they were supposed to be doing, which I think is the main reason we led the league in turnovers last year. This year players will know what they are supposed to be doing on offense and the offense will be geared towards their strengths.

Haven't we visited the rebound defend pass mantra before?
We will not match the Suns' offense, but I see no reason why our offense cannot be in the top-3 in the East.
We have the TALENT to do that........
With a more efficient offense, we will have less turnovers and make the other team take the ball out of the basket more often, which will allow us to get back on defense and setup. Thus, the new offense should not only help us score more but should also help us defend if the players are committed.

If by more efficient offense, you mena Marbury shoots better sure I agree with you.


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10/12/2006  12:26 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I hear Phoenix East I get constipated

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10/12/2006  12:36 PM
Posted by joec32033:

. No one had a clear idea of what they were supposed to be doing, which I think is the main reason we led the league in turnovers last year. This year players will know what they are supposed to be doing on offense and the offense will be geared towards their strengths.

Haven't we visited the rebound defend pass mantra before?

Do you really think this team won't rebound, defend and pass the ball? I think deep inside you know this team is more likely to be better in those areas this year. That's really all we're saying. If Isiah can get thru to these players and earn their trust they'll listen and play harder for him. Isiah is making these players feel that he's on their side and that he's standing in the trenches with them.
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With a more efficient offense, we will have less turnovers and make the other team take the ball out of the basket more often, which will allow us to get back on defense and setup. Thus, the new offense should not only help us score more but should also help us defend if the players are committed.

If by more efficient offense, you mena Marbury shoots better sure I agree with you.
Why the attack on Steph? I think so many of us just don't get this guys game. When he was playing his best, EVERYONE on the team played better and the team assists went UP. So to me it's clear that when Steph plays WELL it doesn't mean that he's gonna be some selfish ball hog that messes up the teams play. All we need is for Steph to be in an environment where he can play his best and help this team win. That goes for all of our players really.

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10/12/2006  12:44 PM
Orginally posted by joec32033:

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We will not match the Suns' offense, but I see no reason why our offense cannot be in the top-3 in the East.
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We have the TALENT to do that........

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With a more efficient offense, we will have less turnovers and make the other team take the ball out of the basket more often, which will allow us to get back on defense and setup. Thus, the new offense should not only help us score more but should also help us defend if the players are committed.
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If by more efficient offense, you mena Marbury shoots better sure I agree with you.

The offense will require everyone to shoot better, which was a problem last year. However, when I say a more efficient offense, I mean an offense that fits the players' talent and leads to higher percentage shots. Additionally, I would hope that the team can drastically reduce the number of turnovers from last year. Friday's game should give us an idea of how effective this offense will be this season.
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10/12/2006  12:49 PM
Do you really think this team won't rebound, defend and pass the ball? I think deep inside you know this team is more likely to be better in those areas this year. That's really all we're saying. If Isiah can get thru to these players and earn their trust they'll listen and play harder for him. Isiah is making these players feel that he's on their side and that he's standing in the trenches with them.

Do I really think that yes. I do. I think that Isiah is so into this anti-Larry character and so focused on this offense I think defense is going to take a distant back seat. The fact that the only real good defenders we have are Q, Malik, and guys that are rookies and second year players makes me worry more.
Why the attack on Steph? I think so many of us just don't get this guys game. When he was playing his best, EVERYONE on the team played better and the team assists went UP. So to me it's clear that when Steph plays WELL it doesn't mean that he's gonna be some selfish ball hog that messes up the teams play. All we need is for Steph to be in an environment where he can play his best and help this team win. That goes for all of our players really.

Well, you know how sometimes when everyone plays better and a PG's assists go down is so common....that's a joke. Marbury played his best when he was getting his team involved. The Team as a whole played better when Steph played his best. That is common with a PG. He plays better, gets EVERYONE involved and the team plays better. It isn't rocket science.

The whole point you seem to be making is Steph can play unselfishly. When he wants to he can. Problem is he only does it when he wants to. This is what separated the good from the best. The best ALWAYS want to.

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10/12/2006  1:34 PM
nixluva: no opinion on the question I asked?
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