This trade spiraled us in worst shape than any other move:

I remember Zeke on Mike and the Dog the day this trade happened, this *******s justification behind the deal is what do you think it would have cost to resign Nazar, we feel like we have added two veteran talents that are going to help our club: Malik Rose and Mo Taylor.

Essentially your adding two players Rose at 7 (owed 21mill over next few year) and taylor 8 million (play to for the kings) for less production that Nazar for 10 million more.

So now we had two players and no center? So Zeke the genius that he is signs JJ to five over 30.

So we now have three players that are not in the rotation making 20 million dollars........(Curry at 7.5million almost 30 million dollars a year for no interior defense)

While Nazar could be a great backup and make 5.5 million......

So Isiah paid close to 30 million dollars for the rights to David Lee (we all love) and Mardy Collins who is terrible!

That pretty much sums it up. The funny part is we gave up a second rounder in the Mo Taylor trade, also. I'm sure if we would've stopped parting with so many draft picks along the years, we could've gotten another pick that year to get David Lee. And we'd still have Nazr. Interesting.

But on the plus side, we'd had Jerome James, Malik Rose and Mo Taylor, which is definitely not reminiscent of the Layden days.

Technically, though, you shouldn't combine the two trades. Mo was a seperate (and godawful) move by Isiah.

Although they were seperate he described them in the same light and added the veteran aspect they would bring and it would have cost a lot of money to resign Nazar that is why they are grouped together....

And late draft picks are for sale every year, its not that simple to say that we got Lee and Collins for money.....

The Jalen deal would have been fine if we drafted Marcus Williams; but we drafted a second round pick which cost us 20 million in salary over a year and a half, plus Balkmans salary and we have a player that is not going to play in the rotation and be a disturbance in the locker room.....

The Butler move is going to bite them, cost efficient moves have never be an issue with this team......

Also, another player that would have been better than Balkman was
Rondo 11pts 8ass 5rbs 4stls great defensive guard better than collins and could have been tradable down the road

trading kieth van horn was one of the worst. He broke up that elusive chemistry that we're still trying to recapture.

Trading KVH got us TT and Nazr, which in turn helped us get Curry and Lee... can't complain there.

If Francis turns out to be incompatible with Steph as many legitimately fear, then the Francis trade is easily Isiah's worst. The trade for Mo was also a dud, but not as spectacular as someone would like to make out. In effect, we lost a 2nd rounder for nothing. Obviously a bad trade-off, but not quite catastrophic.

No chance and the moves are one in the same had we signed Naz we would not have needed James, but since we didn't we got him, and you can get the 30th pick for 2-4 million so the trade was def not worth it considering the amount of salary that has resulted

I really don't like to look at Isiah's trades from a financial viewpoint. You have to ask yourself if the players we have now are worth the moves they took to get them? IMO Curry, Lee, QRich, Nate, Balkman and Collins were certainly worth TT, Sweetney, Tyrus, Nazr, KT and taking on Malik. The Mo trade was a dud, but every GM has those and there's no guarantee we would've kept whoever we got with that 2nd rd pick anyway.

the KVH trade was bad because the coach said please dont, I have them playing well together. The GM did and the play went south, followed by an embarrasing blowout sweep by the Nets.

The Nazr trade wasnt good because we overpaid (as usual) for picks that teams usually pick up for cash. Thats like a C- however...

Mo Taylor trade: F - gave up a pick and spend an extra $15 whatever for a guy we waive

I say his WORSE trade and equally worse move is the Francis trade and the JJ signing. Not only do we have a two players most would be happy seeing abducted and never heard from again, but those two deals cost us Ariza and Jackie Butler. Pretty funny for a team thats "rebuilding."

Anyone that looks at this GM's body of work and still wants him hear is on crack.

If this was our team:
Curry/Butler
Frye/Lee/Malik
Jalen/Ariza/Balkman
Crawford/Nate/QRich
Marbury/Nate/Collins

I could at least admit we are better, younger, have a solid core, building around blue collar cheaper non me-first jerkoff players, GM has a plan, etc etc

But we arent... its BS and even the koolaid junkies praying for 38 wins knows it BS

Now we have Glengrundick
http://www.hoopshype.com/general_managers/glen_grunwald.htm

take a look at just another jerkoff Isiah has brought into the fold. With moves like that we can only get better. Thank god we have him to help

How can it not be the Starbury trade?!? It added about $180MM in payroll for Starbury and Penny and it cost us 2 potential Lottery picks. Meanwhile Starbury just keeps on being the cancerous coach killer that he's always been. And he has 3 more years at an untradeable $20MM per.

The only good thing that comes out of this trade is if he kills one more coach.

You also have to ask yourself if

Was it worth trading for Curry? He has been in the league for 6 years and only once been in shape and that was when he is playing for a contract, hasn't shown any improvement since he has been in the league and (we gave up the number 2 pick in the draft) Thomas, Roye, Foye, Morrison

Are Balkman and Collins going to be contributors? Possibly Balkman may but Collins doesn't have a place on this team

Was it worth trading for a player that not one other team showed interest in? Crawford signed a long term deal for over market and we gave the Bulls wiggle room with their cap. I don't think this deal was worth the salary for a player that showed signs for a month and a half

QRich is going to be around for a few years with a bad back, hopefully he recovers and makes a contribution; this deal is still up in the air if Nate turns into a good defender and uses his penetration skills to get set up teamates....

So just to break this down

We gave Crawford a 66 million dollar deal, when there was no market for him, and had to take on Jerome Williams and give the Bulls flexibilty.....so that deal just to get him cost 21 million.....
Cost for Crawford: 93 million dollars (4 million dollar favor to sign V. Baker 93 million)

Jalen Rose Trade cost us 22 million dollars
Cost for Balkman since Rose isn't in the roation 22 million dollars for a player that may get 5 minutes

Nazar Trade and subsequent moves to get us two reserves, Lee has value and is a nice talent
Cost for Lee and Collins 25 million dollars

Moving a big that was serviable but on the down side of his career to get a backup SF and a backup rotation guard
Cost for Nate: Q's bad back and 37.5 million which is more like 20 with the contract exchange

Isiah always gets the most talented player in the deal but most of the time its because those players have chemistry issues and don't fit in a team concept: Marbury, TT, Francis, Curry, Crawford none of which are winners

So it cost the Knicks 160 million dollars to add the following without factoring contracts

Curry (will never be in shape in his entire career)
Lee (nice energy piece of the bench potential 12pts 9pbs)
QRich (backup)
Nate (sparkplug that has 13-17pt potential, but most likely not on a winning team)
Collins and Balkman could possibly crak rotation in a year
Crawford (shooting close to 41 percent turnover prone guard that doesn't play defense, parties way to much in season, and did show promise to be a good player for the last month of the season)

So not really worth it in the long run