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Nalod
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If you could dump Marbury and go forward with our mix of youth, would you do it? Keep Francis and start him with Craw. Q is the first shooting guard off the bench, and nate is the sparkplug. Does the team seem more balanceed without him. Say trade him for expiring "eddie jones" type player. Then let that contract and Jailen expire.
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10/10/2006  11:16 AM
New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
16.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 6.4 apg in 36.6 minutes
Incoming

Eddie Jones
6-6 SG from Temple
11.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 32.5 minutes

Alexander Johnson

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Outgoing

Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
16.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 6.4 apg in 36.6 minutes
Incoming

Eddie Jones
6-6 SG from Temple
11.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 32.5 minutes

Hakim Warrick
6-9 SF from Syracuse
4.1 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 10.6 minutes
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10/10/2006  11:58 AM
I would give up David Lee and he is my favorite knick to move marbury for jones and warrick, not happening though....we would have a playoff team if that happend.....

Francis/Nate
Jones/Crawford
Jefferies
Fyre/Warrick
Curry/James
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10/10/2006  12:10 PM
I don't know about that being a playoff team. It's weak on defense and has zero gaurds who can run an offense.
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10/10/2006  12:18 PM
this poll begs the question- why is it that so many people buy marbury's jersey?

Are the posters here not representitive of fans in general?

Or we more passionate/knowledgeable?

If Isiah & Dolan dumped Marbury for nothing, I think there would be people ripping them for taking a step back.

And Isiah can't take a step back this year- not with our pick possibly going to chicago.
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10/10/2006  12:19 PM
Posted by wsdm:

I don't know about that being a playoff team. It's weak on defense and has zero gaurds who can run an offense.

That would make it alot like the current team.

I think trading Marbury will be better for this team, his attitude has been cancerous and its time for Steph to move on and infect another franchise. I don't even care what the Knicks get back, just trade Marbury.
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10/10/2006  12:22 PM
Posted by franco12:

this poll begs the question- why is it that so many people buy marbury's jersey?

Are the posters here not representitive of fans in general?

Or we more passionate/knowledgeable?

If Isiah & Dolan dumped Marbury for nothing, I think there would be people ripping them for taking a step back.

And Isiah can't take a step back this year- not with our pick possibly going to chicago.

I got a Marbury Jersey from when he first got here. Haven't worn it in years. I want to get Q(but I am not because he may be gone) or Craw(I want him to be named captain first) but there is really no current Knick I really connect with.
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10/10/2006  12:24 PM
Posted by wsdm:

I don't know about that being a playoff team. It's weak on defense and has zero gaurds who can run an offense.

same WITH Marbury on team, except that Eddie is a much better defender.
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10/10/2006  12:33 PM
Get Marbury the heck out of here, just as long as you're not getting worse crap in return. I am tired and fed up with him, and I wish Francis goes too.
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10/10/2006  12:40 PM
Posted by franco12:

If Isiah & Dolan dumped Marbury for nothing, I think there would be people ripping them for taking a step back.

And Isiah can't take a step back this year- not with our pick possibly going to chicago.


addition by substraction has worked for other teams (i.e. 2005-06 orlando )

[Edited by - Masterplan on 10-10-2006 12:41 PM]
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10/10/2006  12:42 PM
Posted by Masterplan:



[Edited by - Masterplan on 10-10-2006 12:41 PM]

Let's not forget the Suns and the Nets too for Steph and one might even say the Rockets as well for Francis.
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10/10/2006  1:04 PM
With Marbury out and those two players in you get better on defense the overal attitude of the team improves and you get a talented player who can play two positions and could turn into a good player in the long run not to mention a chip to trade and a more balanced offense...

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10/10/2006  1:22 PM
First off, very realistic trade. I thought so for some time now. I think West thinks his team might be close enough to pull the trigger on something like this. Maybe not so much more after they drafted Lowry, but if Damon Stoudamire can't go, still realistic enough. I really thought something was gonna get done on draft night with us and Grizz.

Not sure though....Think I'd rather have Alexander Johnson over Warrick if we included Lee in a deal, but they might think Warrick is more expendable for them with Gay now in the mix. Think A.J. might be a better fit for the Knicks though with Lee gone and with Jeffries now on board if we went through with this. What do you guys think?

Break it down fellas, who is the better fit for the Knicks, Johnson or Warrick in this scenario? Who will be the better player in this league down the pike? Is Johnson closer to a healthy Kenyon Martin or more of a Othella Harrington/Clarence Weatherspoon-type role player? And Warrick... What is he exactly? A 3 or a 4? I like the youth and athletism, hasn't really got a lot of time yet, but not sure if I'd want him as the primary backup to Frye at the 4. Wouldn't be a lot of muscle there. I'd like him as more of a 3, say a stronger/thicker Trevor Ariza with more potential, but we just threw 30-mil. at Jeffries and still have Q-Rich to backup the 3 spot. Lets get some analysis going on this.

[Edited by - finestrg on 10-10-2006 1:26 PM]
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10/10/2006  1:34 PM
Why would Jerry West give up an expirirng to take one of the most overpaid players in the NBA who also brings a ton fo baggage with him? I'd do that trade tomorrow. I just dont think a hoops genius like west would do it.
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10/10/2006  2:10 PM
Asshole should have drafted Johnson in the first place or taken a pg off the board to try to force wests hands and compile more tradeable assets

Defensive players with no actual offensive talent usually work out well......
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10/10/2006  2:18 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Why would Jerry West give up an expirirng to take one of the most overpaid players in the NBA who also brings a ton fo baggage with him? I'd do that trade tomorrow. I just dont think a hoops genius like west would do it.


off topic
why is West considered a "Hoops Genius"? Because he traded for Kobe?

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I agree that a trade like this is possible, I wouldn't do it. The bashers hate to admit it but Marbury IS a point guard. The fact that you guys actually believe that Crawford is capable of running the point full time just shows me that ya know little about this team or basketball.
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10/10/2006  2:22 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Why would Jerry West give up an expirirng to take one of the most overpaid players in the NBA who also brings a ton fo baggage with him? I'd do that trade tomorrow. I just dont think a hoops genius like west would do it.


off topic
why is West considered a "Hoops Genius"? Because he traded for Kobe?

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I agree that a trade like this is possible, I wouldn't do it. The bashers hate to admit it but Marbury IS a point guard. The fact that you guys actually believe that Crawford is capable of running the point full time just shows me that ya know little about this team or basketball.

Marbs is a PG but he isnt a pass first ball movement ball distriutor. There is a major difference. Hence our offense gets stagnant while he dominates the ball. Also while he is a pG on offense its becoe painfully clear he can no longer guard the PG position. Journeymen pgs go by him like his feet are anchored to the ground.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/10/2006  2:30 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Why would Jerry West give up an expirirng to take one of the most overpaid players in the NBA who also brings a ton fo baggage with him? I'd do that trade tomorrow. I just dont think a hoops genius like west would do it.


off topic
why is West considered a "Hoops Genius"? Because he traded for Kobe?

On Topic
I agree that a trade like this is possible, I wouldn't do it. The bashers hate to admit it but Marbury IS a point guard. The fact that you guys actually believe that Crawford is capable of running the point full time just shows me that ya know little about this team or basketball.
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I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/10/2006  2:54 PM
FOrget Johnson or Warrick, THey are doing us a favor.

My thinking on this trade is if pau is out for a while, and the team has a hard time scoring even with him, then its plausable.

New ownership, and they need some scoring.

Forget getting anything in return other than jones unless there are more pieces we throw in.
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10/10/2006  2:57 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Why would Jerry West give up an expirirng to take one of the most overpaid players in the NBA who also brings a ton fo baggage with him?

OK, I'll try to explain. You're probably right in the end btw. They probably want to just let Jones' contract expire and go from there. Smart move. Safe. Can't go wrong. But consider Marbury (or Francis, whichever) teamed with Pau Gasol, Mike Miller, Rudy Gay and Stromile Swift. You don't think West has ever given this trade scenario some thought, even a little esp. after Stoudamire went down last season with the knee and might not be 100% to start this year? Don't kid yourself. Both Marbury and Francis make huge money, yes, but the LENGTH of their contracts are at this point reasonable enough to take a gamble on for a team that thinks it's close imo (only 3 years left for both including this season). Making a trade for Marbs or Franchise at the beginning of their contracts is way too much to take on, even if it would fill a need, but at this stage with their contacts ending soon (08/09)? Shit, if I thought I was close and had a difficency at the PG position I'd consider it.
Think Brian Cashman making the move for Bobby Abreu at the trade deadline when he knew the Yankees were close and wasn't sure about Sheffield's status. "I owed it to the players who've fought this far and this hard to make a move like this," Cashman said, if I remember him correctly. Turned out to be the right move, even though the Yanks layed an egg in the playoffs. The Yankees took on some money, sure, but they got a player in his prime to fill an immediate need. And it payed dividends. Ditto Omar Minaya with the Mets. He took on a lot of salary but he has put together a team that's in a position to go to the World Series. Every team in professional sports sooner or later gets to a point where they have to weigh their options regarding taking on salary to get the team over the hump and I'd be willing to bet that Jerry West might think his team is damn close to that point.

Hey, the Gizzlies are pretty good as is. You watch, opening night will be a dogfight (provided we bring a max. effort and our A-game, otherwise we'll get run right out of their gym). But make no mistake, Marbury or Steve Francis are MAJOR, MAJOR upgrades over the current crop of PGs they have running that team now. You may not like both of those guys personally and their reps have been tarnished a little lately and with good reason but nobody can dispute the fact that they are both top-flight, all-star caliber PGs still in their prime.

Either one would immediately upgrade the point for Memphis:

Stoudamire - Very small, past his prime, plus we're talking a sugically repaired knee here at a late stage in his career (Marbs and Francis are about 4 years younger).
Chucky Atkins - gutty, but again, small and a little older. I've always though of him as more of a perimeter scorer/undersized 2-guard than an true PG anyway.
Lowry - A rookie. He needs time.
And who the hell is Junior Harrington?

You get the idea. I'm not saying it's gonna happen but who would fault Memphis with such a move? I wouldn't if I was a Memphis fan. Provided Gasol's healthy, trading for Marbury or Francis automatically makes the Gizzlies one of the top teams in the West.
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10/10/2006  3:01 PM
Maybe he would consider Francis who has 1/10 the baggage and makes 2-3 mill a year less but still very doubtful. He could just as easily trade for another PG at half the cost. They dumped guys like Wells because they were bad for the teams morale. I dont see Jerry West taking on Marbs
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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