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Isiah and Marbury play the blame game on Steve Francis
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10/7/2006  11:06 AM
By MARC BERMAN

October 7, 2006 -- CHARLESTON, S.C. - Stephon Marbury dropped another bomb on Larry Brown yesterday, saying he believes the former Knicks coach pushed for the Steve Francis trade as a way to phase Marbury out.

Knicks president/coach Isiah Thomas did not deny the allegation. When the trade was made, in February, Brown said he thought a Marbury-Francis backcourt could be this Knicks era's answer to Walt Frazier-Earl Monroe.

"I think Steve Francis was brought here to play the point-guard position last year," Marbury said. "I don't think he was brought in to be a 1-2 punch. I don't know if it was to be shifted to shooting guard or [for me] to be sit down. He didn't come here for us to be a 1-2 punch. I know it wasn't meant for it to be a 1-2 punch and have this dynamic backcourt."

The Francis trade is being held against Brown during the legal contract dispute between the coach and the Knicks, as one of the final straws of Brown's erratic behavior. Brown pushed for the trade, which added significantly to the club's payroll. Within a week, however, Francis was in Brown's doghouse.

Thomas sounded yesterday like he made the deal only to please the coach. For the first time, Thomas also acknowledged the pitfalls of trying to mesh the two undersized point guards into a starting combination, especially on the defensive end. Thomas would not answer the question of whether he would have made the trade - in which he sent prized draft pick Trevor Ariza to Orlando - on his own volition.

"My job is to make it work and it's a tough spot," Thomas said. "I could find a way to make them both look good. Whatever faults or negative things they can't do or don't do, my job is to put all that in the closet and not let you open that closet door. When your mom made you clean the room and you throw everything in the closet and stand by the closet door, saying the room is clean. Whatever sins and faults they have, my job is to keep it in the closet and not let it show on the MSG floor."

Marbury gave no legitimacy to Brown's sincerity about "Frazier-Monroe" comparisons.

"I didn't listen to anything he said last year after he lied the first time," Marbury said. "Everything was up in the air. After he lied the first time, I pretty much didn't look at [him] the same way."

Marbury would not specify what lie he was referring to, but it might have been when Brown told the media in November that Marbury came to him begging to play shooting guard.

Thomas contended Brown told him last February he wanted Francis to pair with Marbury. Thomas refuses to refer to Brown by name.

"Dead honestly, I don't know," Thomas said about Marbury's latest claim. "What the intent was and what the coach was thinking at the time day to day I can't honestly tell you.

Brown has told confidants he stopped using Francis regularly because he felt he was out of shape.

Francis said he's ready to be a better defender this season than ever before - an edict from Thomas.

"Different things are being asked of me at this point of my career," Francis said. "To play harder defense constantly, that's the toughest thing. Not too many guards in this league are asked to play defense and score for 48 minutes."

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Thomas said his playbook is the same one he drafted as Pacers coach from 2000-2003 and none of Brown's plays have been retained . . . The Knicks are expected to break camp today, a day early. That would mean their five-day Charleston stay was four days shorter than Brown's nine-day marathon in 2005.

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10/7/2006  11:07 AM
CHARLESTON, S.C. - Stephon Marbury accused Larry Brown yesterday of lying to him and added that the former Knicks coach encouraged Isiah Thomas to acquire Steve Francis last season because Brown's mission was to replace Marbury at point guard.

"I didn't listen to anything he said last year after he lied to me the first time," Marbury said following the Knicks' training session at the College of Charleston. "To me everything was up in the air. If it landed on its feet, it landed. After he lied the first time I pretty much didn't look at (Brown) the same way."

Marbury refused to get into specifics about what Brown lied to him about, saying "It's doesn't matter. It's over with." But sources claim that Marbury was outraged last November when Brown divulged details of a private meeting he had had with Marbury. According to Brown, Marbury asked to have the same freedom Allen Iverson enjoyed under Brown in Philadelphia. A source, however, says that Marbury only wanted his role defined and that he was willing to do whatever Brown asked of him.

Their relationship never recovered and when Brown publicly criticized Marbury, the veteran point guard counterattacked, eventually declaring in March that he would go back to "playing like Starbury."

Many in the organization believe that Brown purposely started a war of words because he felt he would win in the court of public opinion and that Marbury's retorts would further paint him as a malcontent and reflect poorly on Thomas.

Marbury cited last year's controversial trade for Francis - a deal that neither Thomas nor Garden chairman James Dolan wanted - as evidence that Brown was intent on phasing him out. When the deal with Orlando was finalized, Brown went overboard, saying that a Marbury-Francis backcourt could rival that of Walt Frazier and Earl Monroe, former Knick greats. But in 24 games, Francis made just 15 starts, averaged 27.5 minutes and barely played with Marbury.

"I think Steve Francis was brought here to basically try to play the point guard position," Marbury said. "I don't think it was necessarily for us to be a one-two punch.

"I don't know if it was (for him) to be shipped to shooting guard or for me to be sitting down. (But) he didn't come here to be a one-two punch. That wasn't the thought."

Asked yesterday if Brown was attempting to undermine Marbury by insisting on acquiring Francis, Thomas replied: "I'll be dead --- honest with you, I don't know."

According to the Knicks, one month before Brown was fired last June, he told Thomas that both Marbury and Francis needed to be purged from the roster. Brown's criticism of Marbury and the circumstances surrounding the Francis trade are part of the Knicks' case in Brown's arbitration hearing in which the ex-coach seeks to receive the $40 million that the Knicks refuse to pay him.

Litigation aside, Francis' presence in New York places Brown's successor in the difficult spot of trying to get Marbury and Francis to co-exist, which is something many NBA coaches think never will happen. In fact, Thomas was publicly skeptical last February regarding the compatibility of a Marbury-Francis backcourt. Even Dolan felt the trade was a mistake and when asked yesterday about the Garden boss' remarks, Thomas paused for a moment before saying, "I agree with everything Jim Dolan says."

With Francis' trade value at an all-time low, Thomas, as the Daily News reported last July, visited Francis in Washington, D.C., to smooth over whatever bad feelings may have existed and to convince the veteran guard that he is in the Knicks' plans.

"Right now, my job is to make it work," Thomas said. "It's a tough spot. But either you have a tough spot or no spot. So I'll take the tough spot."
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10/7/2006  11:10 AM
How embarrassing. I can't believe we still have Jokebury on this team. I wish LB, Isiah, Jokebury and Francis would just dissapear for good.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 10-07-2006 11:14 AM]
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10/7/2006  11:11 AM
Marbury needs to let it go. Because Marbury commenting on this issue will only cause problems between himelf and Francis. As far as Isiah no one forced him to make this trade.




[Edited by - BigC on 10-07-2006 11:20 AM]
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10/7/2006  11:17 AM
Isiah Thomas is the GM. He has the power over the coach. Isiah Thomas should know what's best for the team. He should know that Marbury and Francis are the same player. It was him that pulled the trade, regardless of how bad LB wanted him. It was him that signed Larry Brown. Yes Larry did a bad job last year, worthy of being fired, but Isiah did worse.
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10/7/2006  11:19 AM
What's up you guys. I haven't posted on this site in awhile.

Isn't this old news. I think Marbury is still upset with Brown. I don't think he is inaccurate though. It was pretty well knowledge that Brown wanted Marbury out and thought that Francis would be a suitable replacement.
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10/7/2006  11:22 AM
And Marbury is living in the past. I'm sure Marbury isn't just sooooo scarred right now that he keeps needing to report this stuff to media reporters. It's pathetic. He's a baby.
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10/7/2006  11:22 AM
Steve must feel real welcome right about now.

And how about Isiah closing camp a day early? Great, back to the Lenny Wilkens days of wanting to be liked and catering to soft players.

I hope they're polishing up Steph's massage table at MSG as we speak.
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10/7/2006  11:22 AM
This is How Not To Be A Leader 101. Marbury passes with flying colors.
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10/7/2006  11:24 AM
There is an idiot wind blowing every time Marbury moves his teeth. He seems to not be capable of seeing that it is not all about him and that he is part of a team. The Knicks really need to move him if there is any hope for longterm success.
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10/7/2006  11:30 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Steve must feel real welcome right about now.

And how about Isiah closing camp a day early? Great, back to the Lenny Wilkens days of wanting to be liked and catering to soft players.

I hope they're polishing up Steph's massage table at MSG as we speak.

Yeah, that Steve Francis comment was right on. Marbury just says this stuff without even thinking. I guarantee this thing is gonna blow up in the Knicks face pretty fast. Maybe Isiah, Dolan and Marbury get banned from the NBA for life for this Anucha case.
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10/7/2006  11:31 AM
Posted by martin:

This is How Not To Be A Leader 101. Marbury passes with flying colors.

I wouldn't consider Marbury to be a student in the class. He is more like the professor of class How NOt To Be a Leader 101.


[Edited by - BigC on 10-07-2006 11:32 AM]
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10/7/2006  11:34 AM
I'm so glad I'm not buying tickets this year for the New York Pricks.
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10/7/2006  11:52 AM
Marbury and Francis make it extremely hard to root for this team. I'm so sick of having such ****ing bitchy divas on my favorite team. I want a change. I don't care if its futile but I ****ing want a god damn change. I'm so sick of the ****ing 3ring circus this team has become SINCE STEPHON MARBURY HAS TO COME TO THIS TEAM. Shut the **** up and play god damn basketball!
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10/7/2006  12:00 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Steve must feel real welcome right about now.

And how about Isiah closing camp a day early? Great, back to the Lenny Wilkens days of wanting to be liked and catering to soft players.

I hope they're polishing up Steph's massage table at MSG as we speak.

Indeed.... Isiah letting Steph get away with saying that is blasphamy... So much for keeping **** out of the media.. Poor Steve
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10/7/2006  12:02 PM
Berman is full of crap. I love how it's a "bombshell" when he was writing EXACTLY what Marbury is saying now when the trade actually happened. what a joke. did you ever wonder how many less problems this team would have if it wasn't for the 7 daily papers continually making mountains out of molehills?
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10/7/2006  12:03 PM
They really need to waive Steve
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10/7/2006  12:04 PM
You're right crzymdups, but we do have the papers and Marbury handles them terribly. So did Larry Brown. Both don't deserve to be Knicks. Neither does Isiah Thomas.
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10/7/2006  12:09 PM
Posted by wsdm:

They really need to waive Steve
And Steph. I have to admit I'm disappointed in what he's been saying. Isiah's being a poor role model regarding how to act with character. I think Steph would move on if Isiah told him that everyone needs to move on and stop blaming others.

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10/7/2006  12:10 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

You're right crzymdups, but we do have the papers and Marbury handles them terribly. So did Larry Brown. Both don't deserve to be Knicks. Neither does Isiah Thomas.

I'll agree with you that Marbury is one of the worst I've ever seen at handling the papers, though I think Brown was actually doing exactly what he wanted with the reporters - creating chaos to further sabotage the season. The reporters were always following Brown's agenda. Did they ever ask him why so many rotations, when is a set lineup coming? Yes, they did, but Brown would always turn those questions into character assassinations.

Everyone got played by Brown. I still can't believe Zeke let him acquire Francis, I can't believe he didn't see right through it. Or hell, maybe he did but was too distracted by Anuchagate or thought he could trade Francis in a package for KG (LOL! if he thought that he should be fired). Anyway, I'm ready for the Brown saga to end now. I think it'll keep going until the team is over .500 though, so hopefully we can start 1-0 for the first time in six years.
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