Posted by BlueSeats:

BTW, Not just trying to be annoying above, but I hear conflicting things coming from isiah and Marbury, and we really don't know how well they'll shake out. In a recent interview (media day?) Steph was asked if he thought Isiah would let him play Steph's game and he said they handn't spoken about it yet, but he felt confident he would, and that a coach can't treat everyone the same. (A plea for entitlements? What's good enough for others isn't good enough for Steph?)

But then from isiah we hear of halfcourt possessions where the ball doesn't touch the floor. That's Larry Brown's style of ball, not Steph's. One of these two looks to be disappointed.

At this stage of the season everything coming out is sure to be rosy, and about how excited the players are and how much they're learning. It was under Larry Brown too.

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A Three Hour Tour, The Larry Brown Way
by Tom Kertes

GREENBURGH, NY, October 14, 2005 -- As the saying goes, the devil is in the details. More often than not, so is winning.

If there was one immediately noticeable difference in Larry Brown’s first Knicks practice at the team’s Madison Square Garden Training Center, it’s the minute attention paid to the littlest things. What probably would have been an hour and half session went well over twice that due to the constant stoppage. As ran by Brown, a controlled scrimmage is REALLY controlled. “I don’t necessarily like to do that,” Brown smiled afterwards. “But right now, that’s what it takes.”

Still, if there is such a thing as a BRISK three-hour practice -- particularly when it follows right on the heel of Brown’s notoriously difficult training camp -- this was it. The attitude, the joyful noise, the players’ level of enthusiasm…it all just had a different feel somehow. “We are having fun, dude,” rookie forward Channing Frye, who went all out and then some despite just being cleared to practice due to sore right foot, smiled. “I mean, Larry Brown, the Knicks, the NBA…This is the LIFE!”

Taking advantage of Stephon Marbury (day-to-day with a skin infection) not working out, neophyte point guard Nate Robinson -- constantly airborne, constantly making plays -- was clearly the engine out there. “The kid can fly,” Brown smiled. (In more ways than one: the 5-9 Robinson dunked without any visible effort at the end of a breakaway.) Jamal Crawford, paid special attention by Brown and clearly relishing it, was another standout as was -- in something of a surprise -- a beyond-bouncy Penny Hardaway. “I’ve been in the league, what, twelve years now,” he said. “But I’m absorbing a lot. I swear Coach Brown is teaching me a brand new way to play both offense and defense. It’s awesome.”

And awesomely detailed as well. “Every day I learn something,” Frye practically shouts from excitement. “How to play a man over a screen, which is the right way to roll, keeping a proper base. Step up on the screen, step into the passing lane …Stuff I already knew but now it’s done differently, in the right fashion. And overall, it’s like there is a certain new way to think about the game. Dude, I’m telling you, this year we’ll probably have our bumps and bruises at first -- but we’re all getting miles better.”

“The team chemistry is great,” adds Frye. “Everybody is always hanging out, joking around together. People are out here busting each other’s butts but, at the same time, it ‘s like ‘dude, you’re doing a good job. That attitude will be a big plus when the chips are down.”

“This is crazy over here, man,” newly acquired center Eddy Curry nods toward Brown with a inscrutable smile. “I just came in -- I heard all about it but I had to see it for myself. I have never practiced this hard in my life, not even close. It’s constant up-and-down, constant movement, constant running, constant court-work. It’s real different. It’s crazy.”

“Even though I just came in, I’m feeling real good,” added Curry. “I’m surprised that able to go for such a long time without getting winded, but that’s mostly due to Coach Brown. The man’s so inspirational, I love being out there. So I just can’t stop.”

“My buddy Jamal (Crawford) told me I was going to love it in New York -- and especially that you guys (the writers) are great. We’re going to have a good time, I think.”

“A lot of guys have stood out for me so far -- it was a good camp,” said Brown. “The young kids have gotten better -- they’ve all been well-coached in college -- the veterans have tried hard. I’m going to play a lot of guys over the first few preseason games -- they deserve it. So don’t read too much into minutes or who starts. We are still in the ‘discovering what we have’ state.”

“I was just teasing Curry, telling him I look at him as if he was a college freshman,” smiled Brown. “And I don’t mean that in a bad way, not at all. He came into the NBA right out of high school, he’s only 22, and he wants to get better. He’s young and he’s playing a difficult position. He has to learn to play every shot like it’s a missed shot. I don’t want him to get cheap fouls on the offensive boards. But he’s so quick and he jumps so well. It’s always fun coaching a talented young kid like that.”

Whatever rebounding and defensive questions might follow the personable young center, he has the answers: “Just keep moving, keep getting in better shape, and keep listening to Coach Brown,” says Curry. “I feel that if I do that I will improve tremendously -- and the New York Knicks are going to have a great year.

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I don't mean to take away anyone's joy... just trying to maintain some perspective.

Wow this post was humbling on every level imagineable. I also felt Steve's comments about learning so much is absolutely pathetic. It just goes to show how dumb of a basketball player he's been his whole career. There is no way Isiah has taught him that much more in just a couple of days vs Rudy T, Van Gundy, and Brown combined, all coaches he's had longer than Zeke. Lip Service is just brand new to some and stale to others.

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Posted by SeatsBlue:

Posted by BlueSeats:

BTW, Not just trying to be annoying above, but I hear conflicting things coming from isiah and Marbury, and we really don't know how well they'll shake out. In a recent interview (media day?) Steph was asked if he thought Isiah would let him play Steph's game and he said they handn't spoken about it yet, but he felt confident he would, and that a coach can't treat everyone the same. (A plea for entitlements? What's good enough for others isn't good enough for Steph?)

But then from isiah we hear of halfcourt possessions where the ball doesn't touch the floor. That's Larry Brown's style of ball, not Steph's. One of these two looks to be disappointed.

At this stage of the season everything coming out is sure to be rosy, and about how excited the players are and how much they're learning. It was under Larry Brown too.

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A Three Hour Tour, The Larry Brown Way
by Tom Kertes

GREENBURGH, NY, October 14, 2005 -- As the saying goes, the devil is in the details. More often than not, so is winning.

If there was one immediately noticeable difference in Larry Brown’s first Knicks practice at the team’s Madison Square Garden Training Center, it’s the minute attention paid to the littlest things. What probably would have been an hour and half session went well over twice that due to the constant stoppage. As ran by Brown, a controlled scrimmage is REALLY controlled. “I don’t necessarily like to do that,” Brown smiled afterwards. “But right now, that’s what it takes.”

Still, if there is such a thing as a BRISK three-hour practice -- particularly when it follows right on the heel of Brown’s notoriously difficult training camp -- this was it. The attitude, the joyful noise, the players’ level of enthusiasm…it all just had a different feel somehow. “We are having fun, dude,” rookie forward Channing Frye, who went all out and then some despite just being cleared to practice due to sore right foot, smiled. “I mean, Larry Brown, the Knicks, the NBA…This is the LIFE!”

Taking advantage of Stephon Marbury (day-to-day with a skin infection) not working out, neophyte point guard Nate Robinson -- constantly airborne, constantly making plays -- was clearly the engine out there. “The kid can fly,” Brown smiled. (In more ways than one: the 5-9 Robinson dunked without any visible effort at the end of a breakaway.) Jamal Crawford, paid special attention by Brown and clearly relishing it, was another standout as was -- in something of a surprise -- a beyond-bouncy Penny Hardaway. “I’ve been in the league, what, twelve years now,” he said. “But I’m absorbing a lot. I swear Coach Brown is teaching me a brand new way to play both offense and defense. It’s awesome.”

And awesomely detailed as well. “Every day I learn something,” Frye practically shouts from excitement. “How to play a man over a screen, which is the right way to roll, keeping a proper base. Step up on the screen, step into the passing lane …Stuff I already knew but now it’s done differently, in the right fashion. And overall, it’s like there is a certain new way to think about the game. Dude, I’m telling you, this year we’ll probably have our bumps and bruises at first -- but we’re all getting miles better.”

“The team chemistry is great,” adds Frye. “Everybody is always hanging out, joking around together. People are out here busting each other’s butts but, at the same time, it ‘s like ‘dude, you’re doing a good job. That attitude will be a big plus when the chips are down.”

“This is crazy over here, man,” newly acquired center Eddy Curry nods toward Brown with a inscrutable smile. “I just came in -- I heard all about it but I had to see it for myself. I have never practiced this hard in my life, not even close. It’s constant up-and-down, constant movement, constant running, constant court-work. It’s real different. It’s crazy.”

“Even though I just came in, I’m feeling real good,” added Curry. “I’m surprised that able to go for such a long time without getting winded, but that’s mostly due to Coach Brown. The man’s so inspirational, I love being out there. So I just can’t stop.”

“My buddy Jamal (Crawford) told me I was going to love it in New York -- and especially that you guys (the writers) are great. We’re going to have a good time, I think.”

“A lot of guys have stood out for me so far -- it was a good camp,” said Brown. “The young kids have gotten better -- they’ve all been well-coached in college -- the veterans have tried hard. I’m going to play a lot of guys over the first few preseason games -- they deserve it. So don’t read too much into minutes or who starts. We are still in the ‘discovering what we have’ state.”

“I was just teasing Curry, telling him I look at him as if he was a college freshman,” smiled Brown. “And I don’t mean that in a bad way, not at all. He came into the NBA right out of high school, he’s only 22, and he wants to get better. He’s young and he’s playing a difficult position. He has to learn to play every shot like it’s a missed shot. I don’t want him to get cheap fouls on the offensive boards. But he’s so quick and he jumps so well. It’s always fun coaching a talented young kid like that.”

Whatever rebounding and defensive questions might follow the personable young center, he has the answers: “Just keep moving, keep getting in better shape, and keep listening to Coach Brown,” says Curry. “I feel that if I do that I will improve tremendously -- and the New York Knicks are going to have a great year.

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I don't mean to take away anyone's joy... just trying to maintain some perspective.

Wow this post was humbling on every level imagineable. I also felt Steve's comments about learning so much is absolutely pathetic. It just goes to show how dumb of a basketball player he's been his whole career. There is no way Isiah has taught him that much more in just a couple of days vs Rudy T, Van Gundy, and Brown combined, all coaches he's had longer than Zeke. Lip Service is just brand new to some and stale to others.

I get your point, but from an offensive standpoint, JVG and Brown aren't that amazing. Even Rudy T isn't known as some offensive genius. If it's the 1st time he's seen some of these concepts thru the eyes of a player like Isiah, then it's entirely possible to be learning some new things. He could simply be speaking of the WAY that Isiah is telling him to see certain things. Who knows. It doesn't have to be that he's dumb. As long as Francis is actually grasping the concepts and is willing and able to execute them, who care's if he's been dumb about it in the past. We only care that he get's it NOW. RIGHT?

Ahhh Steve has learned alot from Zeke because all he was doing last yr is partying and not showing up to practices. See things are rosy and peachy right now but when adversity hits and it will sooner than later the team is going to crumble like a cupcake. I feel sorry for guys like Craw and Frye.

Posted by TheGame:

We will see, but I think guys like Q, Lee, Frye, and Crawford are not going to let things implode like last year. These players trust IT and will follow him. They lost trust in LB, which was the prime reason for the team falling apart last year.