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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/04/sports/basketball/04knicks.html?ref=sports

Curry, Minus Brown, Could Equal Minutes
By HOWARD BECK
Published: October 4, 2006
CHARLESTON, S.C., Oct. 3 — Eddy Curry’s hair has been redesigned, woven into a neat pattern of zigzagging rows that stretch from his forehead to his neck. The new look is suggestive of a fresh start, but it could just as easily represent the maze of twists and turns that have tested Curry’s resolve the last two seasons.

A year ago this week, Curry was poked and prodded incessantly by doctors looking for potential defects in his heart. Curry had been publicly rejected by the Chicago Bulls — his hometown team — over heart concerns and was traded to the Knicks. To his delight, Curry got a clean bill of health, a $56 million contract and a promise of better days.

The good feelings were quickly shattered. Coach Larry Brown kept pulling Curry from games, even when he appeared to be on a roll. Brown repeatedly questioned Curry’s conditioning and his weight. In the season’s final weeks, Curry often sat out the fourth quarter in games as Brown played Jackie Butler, an undrafted journeyman.

When Curry retreated to Chicago after the season, he made it a point not to talk about the experience. And family members knew better than to ask.

“They knew how rough a time that was for me,” Curry said Tuesday after the Knicks’ first training camp practice. “A lot of my family would come and visit me last year and see how depressed I was and how down I was and they felt bad for me.”

Curry also admitted to homesickness, and found solace back in the Windy City. He worked out diligently with Michael Jordan’s former trainer, Tim Grover. He played daily pickup games with other N.B.A. players. He consulted Juwan Howard for tips on playing in the post. He spent weeks working with the Knicks assistant coach Mark Aguirre, refining his moves.

“This is probably the hardest I’ve seen him work,” Quentin Richardson, a teammate and fellow Chicago native, said of Curry, who, he added, he has watched “every summer since before he got in the league.”

“I think he worked and took it a little more serious this summer,” Richardson said. “I’m definitely expecting to see better things from ‘E.’ ”

Appointing franchise saviors is almost an annual rite for the Knicks. Isiah Thomas wore the mantle when he was hired as president, then passed it to Stephon Marbury. Brown followed Marbury, then famously feuded with him.

Brown was fired. Marbury has led the Knicks nowhere in more than two seasons. Thomas is working under a one-year ultimatum. The savior role is up for grabs, and Curry — along with the second-year forward Channing Frye — is perhaps the best candidate to take it.

Although he is entering his sixth N.B.A. season, Curry is just 23 years old. Scouts have always been enamored of his size and athleticism, if not his passion. The heart problems appear to be behind him. His conditioning is said to be vastly improved. Thomas is vowing to give him all the playing time he needs to spread his wings. The stage is set for a long-awaited breakout season.

“Definitely, I feel like this is that year for me,” Curry said.

Thomas has not stated specific goals, other than to be “a special big man,” Curry said. Scouts widely view Curry as a potential All-Star. All he needs, Thomas said, is the chance to shine — the chance that Brown did not always give him.

Referring to Curry’s modest statistics — 13.6 points and 6 rebounds a game, but a team-best .563 shooting percentage — Thomas said, “It probably had more to do with minutes played than anything.”

“I don’t think there are a lot of centers out there who did that in 25 minutes a night,” said Thomas, who vowed to increase Curry’s playing time from his 25.9-minute average of last season.

Curry said, “If I show him that I can play the whole game, I’ll play the whole game.”

That, of course, will depend on Curry’s stamina. He lagged behind teammates during end-of-practice sprints Tuesday morning, but Thomas said he was extremely satisfied with Curry’s conditioning. Thomas mentored a pair of eventual All-Stars, Jermaine O’Neal and Brad Miller, while coaching the Indiana Pacers. “I believe I can have similar success with him,” he said of Curry.

REBOUNDS

Jerome James, whose first season with the Knicks was marred by injuries, is hurt again. James suffered a partial tear of the plantar fascia in his right foot when he stepped on Channing Frye during the Knicks’ first practice. James sat out the evening session and will be re-evaluated Wednesday. ... Malik Rose aggravated an existing right hamstring injury during the morning practice and also sat out the evening session. ... Nikoloz Tskitishvili, a former lottery pick trying to make the team as a free agent, got off to a bad start: His cellphone rang during a team meeting. Isiah Thomas made his players run an extra set of sprints as punishment. “I look for golden opportunities such as that,” Thomas said gleefully. ... Commissioner David Stern wrapped up the arbitration hearing over Larry Brown’s salary dispute on Tuesday. Lawyers for Brown and the Knicks must file posthearing reports to Stern before he makes a decision. Stern is leaving Wednesday for N.B.A. preseason games in Europe and could take a couple of weeks to issue a ruling.
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10/4/2006  12:56 AM
Bad news on Jerome James' Plantar tear..that sucks.

I don't think that Curry will be able to keep up with the wiry-sprinty guys even in the best condition physically possible for him...he is too big..power is the name of his game, he needs to be in good enough condition to exploit that advantage throughout the game in the paint, not to beat the guards running suicide drills.

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10/4/2006  12:56 AM
Yeah it was all Brown's fault. Committing stupid fouls and being out of shape might have had something to do with his playing time.
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10/4/2006  1:00 AM
oohah i agree, no matter how well of a condition he is in, he's just too big, the best thing i read tho is in the newsday article, it stated that when curry was strugglinto finish up, David Lee and Q-Rich were pacing with him, the more chemistry the better
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10/4/2006  1:02 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Yeah it was all Brown's fault. Committing stupid fouls and being out of shape might have had something to do with his playing time.



um, you would be out of shape to if you stopped playing a month before the season was over dude to a heart condition and werent able to participate in any basketball games until you were cleared by the doctors that cleared you, the doctors to the tema you were traded to
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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10/4/2006  1:09 AM
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:
Posted by islesfan:

Yeah it was all Brown's fault. Committing stupid fouls and being out of shape might have had something to do with his playing time.



um, you would be out of shape to if you stopped playing a month before the season was over dude to a heart condition and werent able to participate in any basketball games until you were cleared by the doctors that cleared you, the doctors to the tema you were traded to

He was out of shape all season. Or maybe you think a training camp and an entire season isn't enough time to get in shape.
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10/4/2006  1:11 AM
being out of shape... he was shut down by doctors for the better part of 6 months. Yeah, that was really irresponsible of him.
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10/4/2006  1:16 AM
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being out of shape... he was shut down by doctors for the better part of 6 months. Yeah, that was really irresponsible of him.

So you think an entire training camp and season wasn't enough time to get in shape.
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10/4/2006  1:22 AM
well, depending on a person body structure it takes time, the man wasnt allowedto participate in any strenuous drills for half the year, and we expect him to come into training camp and the regular season in great shape.

Not to mention the stress of whether you are or you may never play in the NBA again.

Or the stress of how potentially damaging the heart condition mightve been

Or the fact that you leave the city that you been in your whole life and come to aplace you never been before.

Theres an adjustment time fot that, some may adjust quicker than others.

But to expect him to be in good conditon and shape last year is ridiculous because he obviously was going through alot at the time, and when the doctors say shut it down indefinately he had no choice.

And lets be real here, how many players actually have improved their condtioning over a season or howmany players actually gained muscle mass or good weight during the season?
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10/4/2006  1:27 AM
and of those that improved their condition over the season, did the coach assist them in getting back into condition by playing him the minutes necessary to do so?

when your coach is doing his best to keep you out of condition...

last year, 25 minutes, 16 ppg.

all the media are bashing brown, all the media are stating what some of us have been stating all summer, the warden is gone, the players will now be able to be who they are.

Curry will get the minutes and get the boards and lower the turnovers.

nuff said.
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10/4/2006  1:37 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

and of those that improved their condition over the season, did the coach assist them in getting back into condition by playing him the minutes necessary to do so?

when your coach is doing his best to keep you out of condition...

last year, 25 minutes, 16 ppg.

all the media are bashing brown, all the media are stating what some of us have been stating all summer, the warden is gone, the players will now be able to be who they are.

Curry will get the minutes and get the boards and lower the turnovers.

nuff said.

Out of all the things that people blamed LB for, and God knows there were a lot of them, this is the absolute dumbest.

You think LB is at fault for not giving Curry enough minutes DURING games to get him in shape. Since when are games the time to get in shape?
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10/4/2006  1:40 AM
Posted by islesfan:
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being out of shape... he was shut down by doctors for the better part of 6 months. Yeah, that was really irresponsible of him.

So you think an entire training camp and season wasn't enough time to get in shape.

He was injured for most of training camp. Watching him closely, it didn't seem like he got his legs until mid to late december. He was fine in late December and early January, one of the main reasons we won games against the Mavs and Suns, but then Marbury went down and there wasn't anyone to get him the ball. During the 2-14 tailspin that came when Marbury was out, Brown started yanking his minutes around and giving Butler more minutes. People can say Butler was better all they want, but bottom line I can't think of a single game we won where playing Butler in the fourth quarter was the reason. When Curry had his legs and was playing, we were better. If he's in better shape this season because he's had more time to train in the off-season, we'll be a better team. It's not his fault Isiah didn't protect the picks - there's no reason to root against him.

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10/4/2006  1:50 AM
What was the injury that ailed him in training camp?

I predicted a decent season from him last year and I never blamed him for the non protection of picks.

I just think that he had plenty of time to get in shape after he was traded to the Knicks.
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10/4/2006  1:57 AM
Posted by islesfan:

What was the injury that ailed him in training camp?

I predicted a decent season from him last year and I never blamed him for the non protection of picks.

I just think that he had plenty of time to get in shape after he was traded to the Knicks.

I believe it was a sprained hamstring that kept him out for three weeks, then he came back opening night, played the next ten games, then sprained his hamstring again and missed another couple of weeks, so he really wasn't ready to go until december. I think if he's been playing bball all summer, he can avoid those nagging injuries.
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10/4/2006  2:00 AM
and sorry for saying you blame him for the lotto picks, but I do think some around here do that in the same way some people were down on Frye for no reason other than he wasn't Andrew Bynum. Frye and Curry are good players. They have flaws, but they have the talent to overcome those flaws.
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Posted by crzymdups:

and sorry for saying you blame him for the lotto picks, but I do think some around here do that in the same way some people were down on Frye for no reason other than he wasn't Andrew Bynum. Frye and Curry are good players. They have flaws, but they have the talent to overcome those flaws.

No problem but you should know that I blame it on Isiah. Just like all things can be blamed on him.

Curry and Frye are nice players but I'm more concerned about their desire than their God given talent. I think that's the biggest flaw for both of them.
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10/4/2006  5:06 AM
isles,

fryes desire to be a great player shouldnt be questioned, he was working otu hard all summer and even stated that he wont be satisfied until he is one of the best players to play his position, i do agree withyou on currys desire, but so far everyone has been saying how he wants to develop into the best center he possibly can be.

Until the season opens up, talk is cheap....butu never rebutted my previous post lol
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10/4/2006  5:33 AM
I don't think there is anybody on the board that has a question with Frye's desire.

i could be wrong on that.

And I think nyknicksfan pretty much summed up curry's last year in a nutshell.

It's one thing to keep saying you doubt a player because they have not yet to perform, but to do it withouth even taking the time to think about doing it is what irks me the most.

I personally think you accidentally lumped Frye into your statement about curry, but when spewing hate, you tend to get collateral damage.

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