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BigC
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10/2/2006  7:39 AM
NIMBLE KNICK: CURRY GETS FIT
By MARC BERMAN

October 2, 2006 -- When the Knicks reported to training camp one year ago, Isiah Thomas completed the Eddy Curry blockbuster and optimism ran amok as the Larry Brown Era began.
Brown was a disaster, Curry a disappointment. At least the 6-11 Curry now gets a chance at redemption as the Knicks report for training camp today and attempt to erase the memory of last season's 23-59 epic collapse. First practice is tomorrow under the specter of the Brown contract-arbitration hearing in Manhattan.

Curry will take the flight to Charleston, ahead of schedule from the rusty and out-of-shape player who reported late a year ago. It took four days before Curry was allowed to practice as he underwent heart tests before the Bulls' trade became official. During the summer, Thomas said, "He has a great chance to become an all-star in this offense. That's my job as a coach."
It was Curry's job to report to training camp in much better shape than last October. And judging by last week's informal 4-on-4 scrimmages, he looks fit. The first practice is tomorrow.

Knicks assistant Mark Aguirre spent three weeks with Curry in Chicago. But the biggest difference is this summer Curry played in the legendary Chicago pickup games dominated by NBA players at the West Loop Athletic Club. The games are run by trainer Tim Grover, who worked with Michael Jordan for 16 years. Shawn Marion, Antoine Walker, Michael Finley, Juwan Howard, Shaun Livingston and Bobby Simmons all participate through August.[/quote]

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10/2/2006  7:52 AM
good... would be nice to see a player on our team take responsibility for having a good season. I hope he's a beast
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10/2/2006  7:58 AM
i can only imagine the ripple effect if he is even slightly better than last year.

so far, the pieces appear to be falling into place.

Everyone is taking responsibility for this year, success or failure.
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10/2/2006  8:23 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

i can only imagine the ripple effect if he is even slightly better than last year.

so far, the pieces appear to be falling into place.

Everyone is taking responsibility for this year, success or failure.

That's called leadership. When the best players show up in shape and focused on what they need to do to get better it causes the ripple effect. Now let me get back to the pew to pray that it continues.
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10/2/2006  8:38 AM
I'll wait till I see him. This guy needed to be locked in a gym all offseason.
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10/2/2006  8:43 AM
Great news. Now lets hope he added another move or two to his repertoire. Mainly, turning over his right shoulder and finishing with his left.

This should also dispell the myth that Curry is/was lazy. Tim Grover even said Curry couldn't play last yr due to his heart condition yet people blasted him for being fat and lazy.
[Edited by - bigbeast on 10-02-2006 08:44 AM]

[Edited by - bigbeast on 10-02-2006 10:55 AM]
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10/2/2006  9:31 AM
God, let's hope so. It's a great sign if this is indeed true, it'll show Curry has a little-something in him and the Knicks will be 100000X better if Curry is actually in shape and ready to wear down opponents.
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10/2/2006  10:23 AM
a lot depends on Curry.. there is no doubt. He's a pretty poor rebounder and defender for his size and there's ZERO chance of that improving if he's fat again.

If Curry is in top shape, not good but really in top form
If Frye (who I assume is our starting 4) can become and effective rebounder and just not let his man go off on him every night in the post

I can root for those guys... Eddie's been lazy but he's a good guy.
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10/2/2006  10:26 AM
Good job Mr Curry
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/2/2006  11:04 AM
yeah this is defintately a good sign, but i wonder exactly how fit he is? hopefully we can find out tommorow, or soon.
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10/2/2006  11:05 AM
Both Curry and Frye have a good chance to be a nice tandem. Despite not being the best rebounders, I think the more they're out there together the better for this team. They have to learn how to do their jobs better and they have to tough it out. For that to happen you can't just pull them out of the game when they aren't doing things right. Make them get in their and fight and appeal to their pride. They'll get better.

Offensively the two of them are already very capable. I just want to see more efficiency and a little more confidence from both of them.
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10/2/2006  11:47 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Both Curry and Frye have a good chance to be a nice tandem. Despite not being the best rebounders, I think the more they're out there together the better for this team. They have to learn how to do their jobs better and they have to tough it out. For that to happen you can't just pull them out of the game when they aren't doing things right. Make them get in their and fight and appeal to their pride. They'll get better.

Offensively the two of them are already very capable. I just want to see more efficiency and a little more confidence from both of them.


I'm sure this opinion comes from the past and LB but moving forward to the future with Isiah are you suggesting that now that we have another coach who is on the hotseat and fighting for his coaching career, that if they aren't rebounding or playing D he needs to keep them in there? Do you think he will do that? this is one of the problems in NY. We put our coaches/GM's in an impossible position. We say develop the young guys, and let them play through the hard times. Then when those young guys fail we fire the coach. That's why every coach for the past 5 years has gone to vets instead of playing young guys. They can't afford to wait it out and live through the young guys development because the moment they do, we want them fired.

There are two ways of thinking when it comes to coaching. If you have a guy that listens and responds to your coaching it's okay to leave them in. Self-motivated guys will be as hard on themselves as you are. They will make their own changes so their is little need for discipline. But guys like EC that are developing years of bad habits you can't leave them out there. Leaving them out there just means more of the same. Sometimes you have to yank the playing time away to shock that player into changing the habit. EC needs to be broken. Hopefully Isiah can do this. But this is not a hard and fast rule. If the player is showing signs of making changes then you can go ahead and give him a longer leash. If not, you yank it.


[Edited by - bippity10 on 10-02-2006 11:49 AM]
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10/2/2006  11:53 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nixluva:

Both Curry and Frye have a good chance to be a nice tandem. Despite not being the best rebounders, I think the more they're out there together the better for this team. They have to learn how to do their jobs better and they have to tough it out. For that to happen you can't just pull them out of the game when they aren't doing things right. Make them get in their and fight and appeal to their pride. They'll get better.

Offensively the two of them are already very capable. I just want to see more efficiency and a little more confidence from both of them.


I'm sure this opinion comes from the past and LB but moving forward to the future with Isiah are you suggesting that now that we have another coach who is on the hotseat and fighting for his coaching career, that if they aren't rebounding or playing D he needs to keep them in there? Do you think he will do that? this is one of the problems in NY. We put our coaches/GM's in an impossible position. We say develop the young guys, and let them play through the hard times. Then when those young guys fail we fire the coach. That's why every coach for the past 5 years has gone to vets instead of playing young guys. They can't afford to wait it out and live through the young guys development because the moment they do, we want them fired.

There are two ways of thinking when it comes to coaching. If you have a guy that listens and responds to your coaching it's okay to leave them in. Self-motivated guys will be as hard on themselves as you are. They will make their own changes so their is little need for discipline. But guys like EC that are developing years of bad habits you can't leave them out there. Leaving them out there just means more of the same. Sometimes you have to yank the playing time away to shock that player into changing the habit. EC needs to be broken. Hopefully Isiah can do this. But this is not a hard and fast rule. If the player is showing signs of making changes then you can go ahead and give him a longer leash. If not, you yank it.


[Edited by - bippity10 on 10-02-2006 11:49 AM]

I think both Curry and Frye will learn more from playing than sitting. I think they should've played more last year. What alternatives did we actually have last year? Did playing those vets get us many more wins? Look I understand what you're trying to say, but in this case I think its going to be more beneficial for these guys to get more playing time together and for them to jell and gain confidence in each other back there. Sitting them won't help us at all.

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Okay but again let's go back to the question. It really doesn't matter what you or I think. In most cases I dont' think playing time is the key to development but with Curry and Frye I agree with you and think it is. Sure these guys may develop if they are given more time but.............Let's say it's 30 games in. The team is 12-18. Isiah is on the hotseat. These two are not rebounding and not playing D. Are you suggesting that Isiah should allow them to continue? For the good of the knicks yes. For the good of Isiah, not going to happen. He is going to do what he needs to do to save his career. And if these guys aren't producing he isn't going to allow them to grow because he won't be around to see the end results. I can't blame him for this. This is the position we put our coach's in.

Our only hope is that these guys get it going well from the beginning so these problems don't crop up. This is part of the reason it's been 30+ years without a title. We are constantly blaming, firing, trading and then starting over, never sticking to a plan.
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10/2/2006  12:07 PM
Posted by fishmike:

a lot depends on Curry.. there is no doubt. He's a pretty poor rebounder and defender for his size and there's ZERO chance of that improving if he's fat again.

If Curry is in top shape, not good but really in top form
If Frye (who I assume is our starting 4) can become and effective rebounder and just not let his man go off on him every night in the post

I can root for those guys... Eddie's been lazy but he's a good guy.

Curry is actually a decent rebounder. He's actually good at positioning and leaping at the right time. If he's better conditioned and can stay on the floor for 32mpg or so, I could easily see him cracking 8rpg, which isn't bad at all in 32mpg. His defense is horrid. I don't think he knows what to do yet.
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10/2/2006  12:09 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
There are two ways of thinking when it comes to coaching. If you have a guy that listens and responds to your coaching it's okay to leave them in. Self-motivated guys will be as hard on themselves as you are. They will make their own changes so their is little need for discipline.

I don't remeber exact specifics, but I remeber a couple years back when tim Duncan made a bone-head play in the playoffs which cost them the game and smirky little Jim Gray asked him if he thought he'd catch an earful from Popovich for it. he answered "doesn't matter either way, it was a dumb mistake and it's never gonna happen again."

Been years since we've heard something like that from anyone with clout on this club.
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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:
There are two ways of thinking when it comes to coaching. If you have a guy that listens and responds to your coaching it's okay to leave them in. Self-motivated guys will be as hard on themselves as you are. They will make their own changes so their is little need for discipline.

I don't remeber exact specifics, but I remeber a couple years back when tim Duncan made a bone-head play in the playoffs which cost them the game and smirky little Jim Gray asked him if he thought he'd catch an earful from Popovich for it. he answered "doesn't matter either way, it was a dumb mistake and it's never gonna happen again."

Been years since we've heard something like that from anyone with clout on this club.

I think that was a stupid thing for TD to say. Whatever he did I'm sure it was Popovich's fault.
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10/2/2006  12:31 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:
There are two ways of thinking when it comes to coaching. If you have a guy that listens and responds to your coaching it's okay to leave them in. Self-motivated guys will be as hard on themselves as you are. They will make their own changes so their is little need for discipline.

I don't remeber exact specifics, but I remeber a couple years back when tim Duncan made a bone-head play in the playoffs which cost them the game and smirky little Jim Gray asked him if he thought he'd catch an earful from Popovich for it. he answered "doesn't matter either way, it was a dumb mistake and it's never gonna happen again."

Been years since we've heard something like that from anyone with clout on this club.

I think that was a stupid thing for TD to say. Whatever he did I'm sure it was Popovich's fault.



It's good he isn't coming to camp out of shape supposedly, but let's not be resign to the fact the dude blew up as the season went on last yr. Will he keep it off or stay in shape? He shouldn't have weight problems playing this sport... maybe Poker or Chess but not Basketball.

This is what he looked like at the end of the season



[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 10-02-2006 11:33 AM]
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10/2/2006  12:33 PM
jerome james is a lot taller than curry....... u can really see it there
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10/2/2006  1:05 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Okay but again let's go back to the question. It really doesn't matter what you or I think. In most cases I dont' think playing time is the key to development but with Curry and Frye I agree with you and think it is. Sure these guys may develop if they are given more time but.............Let's say it's 30 games in. The team is 12-18. Isiah is on the hotseat. These two are not rebounding and not playing D. Are you suggesting that Isiah should allow them to continue? For the good of the knicks yes. For the good of Isiah, not going to happen. He is going to do what he needs to do to save his career. And if these guys aren't producing he isn't going to allow them to grow because he won't be around to see the end results. I can't blame him for this. This is the position we put our coach's in.

Our only hope is that these guys get it going well from the beginning so these problems don't crop up. This is part of the reason it's been 30+ years without a title. We are constantly blaming, firing, trading and then starting over, never sticking to a plan.

My only problem is that you're again assuming the worst. At Frye's current rate he would avg 8 rebs in 34mpg. That's if he doesn't improve one ounce this year. Curry would avg 7.4 in 32 mpg if he didn't improve at all. I think there's a chance that they might improve a bit over last year. Curry actually improved last year tho it's not commented on. Its conceivable that both players could avg 8 rebs each and tho that's not very good, that's better than what they did last year.
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