Hey I can't remember if there was someone on this forum who was hoping for Paul Miller to get a shot, but the Post is saying that he will:

With Maurice Taylor likely to be bought out to create a big-man roster spot, The Post has learned the Knicks will sign as bargain-basement free agents, 6-10 center Paul Miller and 6-9 power forward Elton Brown.
Miller impressed on their summer league team and Brown, who played at Virginia, is a rugged power forward. Both are working out at the Knicks' complex. All Knicks except Taylor took their physicals today.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292006/sports/knicks/brown_and_knicks_on_collision_course_knicks_marc_berman.htm

we should have kept Jackie B... Nixluva, you could have lumped him into your exciting young players list.

More evidence Isiah has no plan or idea what he's doing

Posted by TheGame:

I think overall Butler is a better prospect than Miller, but Miller can shoot the outside jumper, which will work well in this offense and with drive and kick PGs like Marbury and Francis.

That's what we have Frye for.

Posted by TheGame:

Yeah, but now you can put Miller and Frye in at the same time, allow Marbury to drive and kick, and one of them should be open for a jumpshot. It adds to the offense. Again, I am not saying that we should not have kept Butler, I am just saying that I see where Miller might be able to add to the team.

Not a chance. You have Frye and Miller in there, who are you going to post up?
That is one SOFT front line.

Again some of you guys just aren't paying ATTENTION! Part of the offense Isiah will use features a double high post and in that offense you need bigs who can set a pick and hit a jumper. We aren't going to only feature low post offense. So in the scheme of how we'll be playing this year, which will make the BEST use of our talented guards, we need bigs who can shoot with range. I honestly don't think you guys respect isiah's basketball knowledge or that he actually has a plan for how he intends to play this year. You seem to assume that Isiah is some jackass that knows nothing and you couldn't be more wrong.

Its easier to defend a so, so low post player than it is a good pick and pop big. There's a natural advantage to that play due to the motion which causes teams to have to respond to the attacking guard. This leaves the jump shooting big open a lot of times and if not then the guard has a great scoring opportunity. Without great deep shooters, we aren't going to be as effective in a pure post up offense like LB was running. Teams won't respect our shooters and will pack it in on our bigs. WIth great spacing, a motion offense and heavy use of picks teams won't easily be able to just pack it in.

Posted by nixluva:

Again some of you guys just aren't paying ATTENTION! Part of the offense Isiah will use features a double high post and in that offense you need bigs who can set a pick and hit a jumper. We aren't going to only feature low post offense. So in the scheme of how we'll be playing this year, which will make the BEST use of our talented guards, we need bigs who can shoot with range. I honestly don't think you guys respect isiah's basketball knowledge or that he actually has a plan for how he intends to play this year. You seem to assume that Isiah is some jackass that knows nothing and you couldn't be more wrong.

Its easier to defend a so, so low post player than it is a good pick and pop big. There's a natural advantage to that play due to the motion which causes teams to have to respond to the attacking guard. This leaves the jump shooting big open a lot of times and if not then the guard has a great scoring opportunity. Without great deep shooters, we aren't going to be as effective in a pure post up offense like LB was running. Teams won't respect our shooters and will pack it in on our bigs. WIth great spacing, a motion offense and heavy use of picks teams won't easily be able to just pack it in.

Double high post blah blah blah--our PGs arent smart enough to run a complicated offense. 30 wins.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by nixluva:

Again some of you guys just aren't paying ATTENTION! Part of the offense Isiah will use features a double high post and in that offense you need bigs who can set a pick and hit a jumper. We aren't going to only feature low post offense. So in the scheme of how we'll be playing this year, which will make the BEST use of our talented guards, we need bigs who can shoot with range. I honestly don't think you guys respect isiah's basketball knowledge or that he actually has a plan for how he intends to play this year. You seem to assume that Isiah is some jackass that knows nothing and you couldn't be more wrong.

Its easier to defend a so, so low post player than it is a good pick and pop big. There's a natural advantage to that play due to the motion which causes teams to have to respond to the attacking guard. This leaves the jump shooting big open a lot of times and if not then the guard has a great scoring opportunity. Without great deep shooters, we aren't going to be as effective in a pure post up offense like LB was running. Teams won't respect our shooters and will pack it in on our bigs. WIth great spacing, a motion offense and heavy use of picks teams won't easily be able to just pack it in.

Double high post blah blah blah--our PGs arent smart enough to run a complicated offense. 30 wins.

Come on Briggs. Look at his post, don't just jump over it yet quote it. We have guards who are great at attacking the basket. We have slashing type players perfect for a motion style offense. Throw last year out, all of them for that matter and start a new. Every day my friend...
EMS

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by earthmansurfer:

Posted by nixluva:

Again some of you guys just aren't paying ATTENTION! Part of the offense Isiah will use features a double high post and in that offense you need bigs who can set a pick and hit a jumper. We aren't going to only feature low post offense. So in the scheme of how we'll be playing this year, which will make the BEST use of our talented guards, we need bigs who can shoot with range. I honestly don't think you guys respect isiah's basketball knowledge or that he actually has a plan for how he intends to play this year. You seem to assume that Isiah is some jackass that knows nothing and you couldn't be more wrong.

Its easier to defend a so, so low post player than it is a good pick and pop big. There's a natural advantage to that play due to the motion which causes teams to have to respond to the attacking guard. This leaves the jump shooting big open a lot of times and if not then the guard has a great scoring opportunity. Without great deep shooters, we aren't going to be as effective in a pure post up offense like LB was running. Teams won't respect our shooters and will pack it in on our bigs. WIth great spacing, a motion offense and heavy use of picks teams won't easily be able to just pack it in.

Great post Nixluva,

I think, even though many people are knowledgable here about basketball players, they are not so knowledgable about how basketball players fit systems and/or team needs. Before one critisizes a draft pick, signing, etc. you really have to look at how you are going to fit these players together. I think one has to think of chemistry. IF you only have all stars on a team (or former ones) or even 12 of the best players you could find... well, I would say it won't work. Look at the Pistons. How highly regarded was Laimbeer and Rodman coming out of college? You need those players people.

You don't generally create a good time by doing it with fantasy player numbers. We need personalities, we need positive thinkers, maybe even a negative thinker to get those positive thinkers ready for something they didn't plan for. We need a mix. We need a system that players WANT to play in. Look at Phoenix, that is damn fun for the players. To be honest, this system is going to be damn fun. And when you are having fun, have good team players, the winning is the effect.

I really don't know what will happen, but I'm pretty happy with this coach for this team. I'm excited, the players are excited...

I'm pretty sure this is what everyone on this post says. It's not the players it's how the fit together. Again, an argument where no argument exists. Similar to when one optimist called me a pessimist for predicting 35-40 wins and then they predicting 38-42 and called themselves an optimist. The season can't start soon enough.

I think what it comes down to for most on this site is simple. Isiah is building an uptempo team. He should have gone out and hired an uptempo coach for them. Instead he hired a disciplinarian that was never an up-tempo coach. Then he was "shocked" (as well as all the intelligent fans were "shocked") when that guy who hasn't been an uptempo coach in 30 years didn't want to change into one over night. But thre reality is that the coach was hired simply to create a buzz and to get the heat off the GM instead of fitting into a long-term plan. Most people on the site aren't making predictions on what will come. That's side order stuff that we talk about for fun. Instead we are commenting on what we see at the moment. Something happens we comment on it good or bad. Where we really come into argument is that there are a few on this site that think every comment has to come down to a prediction. If you criticize Marbs that must mean you feel he will fail this year. If you say Frye was poor on defense last year and that he needs to get better that must mean you are predicting he will suck on defense. This is where the disconnect comes in. In general we are all on the same page as to what our expectations are of the team.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 09-29-2006 12:50 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 09-29-2006 12:50 PM]

Bip I really don't understand your point AT ALL. Here we are discussing the value of adding a new player to the team, which calls for conjecture and prediction of how you think he'll fit into the scheme of things on the team. Its not about the past. The thing is the season has been over for months now and everything that's been going on is about the future of this team.

You have a valid point in regards to LB not being a good decision, but that has NOTHING to do with this thread.

WE arguing over Paul miller?

This is our 12th player. Bench player.

I thought the point was to not have so many rotation guys.

Posted by fishmike:

we should have kept Jackie B... Nixluva, you could have lumped him into your exciting young players list.

More evidence Isiah has no plan or idea what he's doing

LOL!!!!!

In all fairness, I like Paul Miller, I'm definately willing to give him a shot, he's not going to impress you with his athleticism but the guy can man up in the post, he's got a nice shot and he can rebound. Wow, come to think of it, he might be our best center.

the double high post offense is used to clear out the middle for slashers and penetrators. In order for it to work you need to have big men that can shoot the J consistently or else both defenders will sag off the high post and are in perfect position to cut down the lanes without fear of defensive three seconds. Outside of Frye do we have the personnel to make this work? How does this effect Curry's time on the court if at all? If Frye is off the floor how does that affect the offense?

Number 2: In the high post offense to create floor balance or due to penetration you will often times find your 2 guards below the foul line. The result is that your big men will find themselves creating and directing the offense with the ball in their hands. It is imperative to have a big man that can lead the offense. Some great high post performers of the past are Vlade Divac, Chris Webber, Bill Walton. Do we have a big man capable of directing the offense? Can Frye learn? Lee?

Number 4: The double high post offense does create screening but is not an ideal offense for the screen and roll because it makes things crowded at the top of the key(especially if only one of your big men can shoot). With the iso skills of Jamal and Steph and Stevie would we be better off running and gunning and then going iso in the half court? More like the latrell and Allan days, with one guy running the screen and roll. If Curry doesn't improve his intangibles where does this leave him in the iso game if we are trying to clear the paint?

Number 3: Most coach's have an idea of what offense they are running but don't settle on one until after the first couple weeks of training camp? How do we know what offense we are running?

[Edited by - bippity10 on 09-29-2006 1:18 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 09-29-2006 1:19 PM]