Imagine the following scenario:
it is the end of December 2006 (end of IT's contract?) and the Knicks are 10-20
OR the end of April 2007 and the Knicks are 33-49.
Dolan tells Isiah to walk.

At that point will you say:
a) Isiah put together a good team, it just that he, like his 5 predecessors, is not a good coach.
b) Isiah tried his best put together a good product, unfortunately the chemistry didn't work out.
c) Dolan is crazy, this team just needs time to gel.
d) Isiah didn't do a good job with the roster after all.

Please do man up. I'd be curious to hear if this scenario, which I imagine you believe is
quite unlikely, should possibly occur, what you think your thoughts might be.

Mind you -- before you say it -- I am not wishing for this scenario to occur.
Personally, I think we'll probably win around 38 games, Isiah will get an extension,
and then we'll plateau in 7th-10th place finishes for 3 years.

None of the above.
It was no direction and it is no direction.
If this will happened - just another fool circle is over and here we go again

If they are 15-15 after 20 games

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i think that's one scenario most people agree won't happen...

i want to see this team do well this season. 45 wins would be great. i would welcome IT staying as long as he has a few more bball minds around him and a slightly lower spending limit on his Cablevision credit card.

if not that, i would prefer another terrible season to a mediocre one. the case i'm most worried about is we get something like 35 wins- not terrible, an improvement, but a long shot from where we should be. then nothing is resolved- do we keep IT? retool the front office?

That is not what this thread is about.


THIS IS NOT A WIN PREDICTION THREAD.


I asked the Isiah supporters: IF it doesn't work out, and Isiah gets fired,
what do you think the most likely problem might have been.

Doesn't anybody actually read around here?

Posted by Panos:

Doesn't anybody actually read around here?

Story of my life man. But people respond to the thread not just ther first post and thats what happens, people respond to the people who responded to you and things veer off course a little. Heres my response.

1. I wouldn't characterize myself as an Isiah supporter. I do however, think he will do a good job as a coach. If he doesn't and we lose, it really depends on what happens, like how and why did we lose? Did we fold down the stretch, was the defense super soft, did the offense fail, did channing not come through as expected? What exactly happened that caused us to have a losing record? Ultimately, regardless of why we lose, its Isiah's responsibility and his head. But I believe in the roster. If we lose and just fall apart at the seams, I suppose I then wont believe in the roster and will pick d.

Just to back up silver on something, this is not the LB crowd here. I don't think anyone here believes Isiah to be infallable, or beyond reproach. I don't think anyone on this side of things would come up with 12 million excuses for him if he coached a failing squad. That is for the LB lovers to make sugar out of ****. I deal with reality as objectively as possible. LB lovers argue about things LB is quoted as saying and say stuff like: well he was just lying to be supportive. That kind of thing is foolish and childish. I believed in this team last year, and never bought the garbage that the roster was so horrible that it couldn't win, just because LB said it. I believe the roster is better this year and expect them to do well.

He never promised to make this team great, win the championship, built the foundation, etc.

NOT true. i remember the press conference when he was introduced as the new GM. he made some specific quote like, "the goal of any team is to win a championship, anything short of that is a failure." by his own admission he would be failure as we went from barely in the running for a championship (round 1 sweep) to the absolute bottom of the league (minus the usual top pick consolation).

i like a lot of what IT's done. i like a lot of the players that have come in. but now he needs to show wins, not players' dimensions or stats if he wants to save his job.

Removing Marv Albert for biting is one thing, but he was removed for not being a homer.

That really sucked. Marv is a Knick!

That is not what this thread is about.


THIS IS NOT A WIN PREDICTION THREAD.


I asked the Isiah supporters: IF it doesn't work out, and Isiah gets fired,
what do you think the most likely problem might have been.

Doesn't anybody actually read around here?

Panos, last week you tell me that I flip flop my opinion. When I asked you to show me where I flip-flopped you disappear.

Now I am an Isiah supporter. Show me where. You won't and can't

Then you try to take shots at me because I have predicted that Frye will have a near-all-star season.

DO you ever have anything to say, or are you just here to make snyde remarks?

You don't read my posts obviously, so please give us a break would you?

oohah

Very well, I stand corrected.

Let's change the question. Do you believe Isiah has composed a team that will succeed
as it stands?

I will make my decision on what I SEE after the season. If I find that Isiah did a bad job as a coach, then i'll say that. If I find that Isiah's roster can't play and that it's not his coaching then i'd say that. If it was both things then i'd say that. Just like I expressed my displeasure with what LB did. Isiah has been far from perfect. I actually think he's great at finding talent, but not very good as an exec. in terms of making great trades and dealing with his coaches etc. Apparently that extended to his staff as we can see by the Anucha law suit, which I believe is not as serious a case of sexual harrassment as she's making it out to be. Still he clearly had some issues in dealing with her, so that goes against him being a good exec.

The thing is that i'm more concerned with the Roster. I LIKE this team. I think its been refreshing to see so many new young faces and most of them are good players and good guys. The players are intelligent and hardworking for the most part. You can question whether all of them will reach their potential, but they are far more talented than what we started with 2.5 seasons ago. Ainge has been on the job for 4 years and he hasn't done much more than Isiah. The Bulls have been at it since Jordan left and only now are starting to look like a reall contender. Isiah in comparison hasn't been at it that long and yet this team is loaded with talent and future prospects.




[Edited by - NIXLUVA on 09-29-2006 3:23 PM]