Posted by Bippity10:

For me vets don't have to show up early. They normally have their own routines and I'm okay with him not showing up. But it does just go to show that leadership is an issue with him. After last season a true leader would be leading the charge and yelling at others for not being there. You just can't expect that tyep of thing from him.

Come on guys ease up. Steph is supposed to report today, which is still early. The guy has been all over the place doing what he can to support a new product launch. Its a commitment to his business partner and I can't see that as somehow a sign that he's not thinking about his leadership role on the team.
Curry and Francis aren't there yet either, but as long as they come to camp in shape and ready to contribute, I have no problem with that.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Bippity10:

For me vets don't have to show up early. They normally have their own routines and I'm okay with him not showing up. But it does just go to show that leadership is an issue with him. After last season a true leader would be leading the charge and yelling at others for not being there. You just can't expect that tyep of thing from him.

Come on guys ease up. Steph is supposed to report today, which is still early. The guy has been all over the place doing what he can to support a new product launch. Its a commitment to his business partner and I can't see that as somehow a sign that he's not thinking about his leadership role on the team.
Curry and Francis aren't there yet either, but as long as they come to camp in shape and ready to contribute, I have no problem with that.

Nixluva, if Curry and Francis are playing bball and working out then I'm fine with that. But if Marbury is busy doing his product work and doesn't have his mind focused on basketball, then I do have a problem with that. If he's ready and prepared to play great and be a leader, then I am happy for his success with his product. The Knicks are first. Not his shoes.

i didn't expect him to be there the whole time anyway... that's my new way of thinking w/Marbury... the less i expect from him, the less i get disappointed... seems to be working so far this offseason.

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Hoops is a hobby for Marbs

Marbs is not the best public speaker. He says a lot of stupid things but him not being in westchester yet is not a problem. Marbs never came into a season out of shape.

As far as leadership is concerned, he technically should be with the team right now. Everyone should be together right now. Its not all about marbs all the time.

Monday is when the ball should get rolling so until Monday, as long as marbs doesn't plan on driving cross country or punching the walls of his boat then smoke a blunt and just relax already.

Our Leader? I thougth Isiah established last season that Marbury is not the leader of the Knicks, he is (Isiah). So if the leader of the team isn't demanding Steph to be there, why should we? Like other folks said, I'm sure Steph along with MOST professional basketball players has kept in shape and kept up with his conditioning. And secondly, we all already know that Steph is not that type of player. He is not a leader. Why do we keep bashing him on things we already know. Anytime you can sit on the bench for an entire season and wear a towel over your head anytime the team is losing is a BIG sign that you are not a leader. Patrick Ewing with all of his limitations was more of a leader. Maybe not as vocal as people would have liked but he never sulked and carried on the way Marbury does. But I don't think the Knicks need him to be a "leader" on this team. He needs to come in and be the Stephon that the team traded for. He wasn't a leader that way before he got here. What made you think he was going to magically turn into one?
By the way, why not bash Curry? If ANYBODY NEEDS TO BE IN CAMP EARLY ON THIS TEAM IT'S CURRY. He was out of shape the entire season and needs the most work to me. But you all get so stuck on Starbuy, it's hard to see anyone else.

Posted by lovespree:

Our Leader? I thougth Isiah established last season that Marbury is not the leader of the Knicks, he is (Isiah). So if the leader of the team isn't demanding Steph to be there, why should we? Like other folks said, I'm sure Steph along with MOST professional basketball players has kept in shape and kept up with his conditioning. And secondly, we all already know that Steph is not that type of player. He is not a leader. Why do we keep bashing him on things we already know. Anytime you can sit on the bench for an entire season and wear a towel over your head anytime the team is losing is a BIG sign that you are not a leader. Patrick Ewing with all of his limitations was more of a leader. Maybe not as vocal as people would have liked but he never sulked and carried on the way Marbury does. But I don't think the Knicks need him to be a "leader" on this team. He needs to come in and be the Stephon that the team traded for. He wasn't a leader that way before he got here. What made you think he was going to magically turn into one?
By the way, why not bash Curry? If ANYBODY NEEDS TO BE IN CAMP EARLY ON THIS TEAM IT'S CURRY. He was out of shape the entire season and needs the most work to me. But you all get so stuck on Starbuy, it's hard to see anyone else.

I'm with you on this 100%. Nothing you said goes against anything I've ever said. If you read one of my prior posts I ALSO MENTIONED CURRY( I called him our "overweight franchise guy. I thought it was obvious who I was talking about). I agree with you that Marbs is not our leader. I remember Isiah saying that. But when you design offenses for the guy, get rid of people he doesn't play well with, kiss his butt for 2 years and give him whatever he wants when he wants it then you can call it what you want but the organization is propping him up as our leader. That has been my point about Marbs for 2 years now. He isn't a leader. He never will be. It's unfair for us to expect him to be one. I have no problem with this. You are callign it bashing but I am okay with this and do not consider it a negative at all. We have a lot of guys on our team that aren't leaders. So why does our organization keep treating him like one????

[Edited by - bippity10 on 09-28-2006 4:15 PM]

He also said this BTW:

The word "championship" flowed easily from Marbury's lips yesterday. After a season of chaos and infighting, Thomas' biggest task is establishing a set rotation. With the addition of Jared Jeffries and potential bench role for first-rounder Renaldo Balkman, big names Jalen Rose, Quentin Richardson, Malik Rose and Maurice Taylor probably are out of the rotation, with potential for turmoil.

"Everybody's happy," Marbury countered. "Because the people who aren't happy, they'll be asking for trades. I don't think we'll have any of those dudes. "

I don't know about anyone else but I read that as a thinly veiled threat that complaining will be tantamount to asking for a trade. A policy that seems good enough for isiah, but not Brown.

(I only mention that here because in the article I quoted above this was the passage that immediately followed. Not trying to derail this thread!)

[Edited by - blueSeats on 09-28-2006 4:52 PM]

The Rangers dumped/traded all the players who had 1/10 of the selfishness of Marbs 2 years ago.