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nyk4ever
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9/28/2006  9:34 AM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/42374/20060928/mo_taylor_wants_buyout_says_larry_wasnt_to_blame/
New York Post - Mo Taylor, hoping to have his contract bought out before training camp opens Monday, told The Post the Knicks' mismatched roster was cause for their 23-59 demise, not the head coach. And Taylor isn't sure Isiah Thomas did enough in the summer to lift the club into the playoffs.

"First and foremost, we're a bad team," said Taylor, who arrived into New York yesterday from his home in Houston. "Let's get that out of the way first. It's not all of a sudden we weren't winning. How did Don Chaney do? How did Lenny Wilkens do? How did Herb Williams do? It's not like we were just bad lately. So I don't look at it as Larry failing miserably.

"The most surprising part is they fired him with so many years left on his contract," Taylor said. "And he's also a Hall of Fame coach."
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nyk4ever
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9/28/2006  9:34 AM
Mo T must visit this site since a few of us have been saying this for awhile now. I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears though.
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9/28/2006  9:50 AM
No wonder he's being bought out.

Next up: Malik, QR, Jamal, Nate and Curry. They've also blamed the players or praised the coach..

The hatred from some fans that Brown engendered by wanting to trade guys like Marbury, Francis and Taylor is so funny. As if isiah will want to hold onto guys that don't revere him... Anyone remember his tactics on guys like like Penny and Shandon?
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9/28/2006  9:53 AM
Since he is not getting playing time and does not play defense, then his words are not credible.
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9/28/2006  9:58 AM
Hahaha. I'm sure nixluva and that group will spin this. Can't wait.
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9/28/2006  10:27 AM
sounds like Mo T's manning up.
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9/28/2006  10:46 AM
I don't agree with Mo. It's that simple. He feels one way and many other players feel differently. We know that a majority of the players felt LB was the biggest problem. Mo goes back to the previous year as if that's relevant to the argument. With 8 new players on the team to start the year and more than that by the end of the year, there's really no reason to think of the team from the previous season and last years team as the same group. Just because he was here the whole time, doesn't mean that he knows for sure that its mostly the players fault. Its just his opinion.

All I can say is that with him gone it will make things that much better this year. The rest of the guys who are gonna be part of this have a GREAT attitude going into this season. They actually care about this team. Mo is on his way out and likely a little bitter about how his career went here. I only want to here from the guys who WANT to be here and take PRIDE in wearing the Knicks uniform.
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9/28/2006  10:52 AM
Phuck Taylor, he was the same guy bitching about LB during last season.

The losing did not start with Brown it just got worse than we ever dreamed. Just check Chaney's, Williams', and Wilkens' winning percentage and compare it to LB's.

Let me give y'all a hint, 3 of them will be respectable, and one will not...

oohah

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9/28/2006  11:00 AM
I agree with Mo - we was bad team.
And Mo was one of the ellements which makes it bad.
Will the team be better without Mo? Probably.
I wish we will hear similar statements from other players... on the wat out.
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9/28/2006  11:06 AM
Posted by oohah:

Phuck Taylor, he was the same guy bitching about LB during last season.

No, he was the guy bitching about everyone being a piece of meat to Isiah.
The losing did not start with Brown it just got worse than we ever dreamed. Just check Chaney's, Williams', and Wilkens' winning percentage and compare it to LB's.

Let me give y'all a hint, 3 of them will be respectable, and one will not...

oohah


I don't know about that. Wilkens and Herb combined for 17-36 (.320) after Marbury anointed himself the best. That's NOT respectable. Across 82 games that amounts to 26 wins.

Then we lost Nazr, TT, Sweets, and Kurt, plus the team of quitters quit. Considering all that, a dropoff of 3 games to 23-59 (.280) was not much at all.

But lets hope we can shed the legacy of Brown and get back to respectability.

26 wins here we come!!!
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9/28/2006  11:16 AM
the true leader of this team/organization will be the player that steps up and takes responsibility for the season. This is the player that will force others and themselves to take personal responsibility which will lead to accountability and effort when things go wrong. Instead of blaming others when things aren't the way we want them and then quitting. We need players that will blame themselves and then step up their game when things are bad instead of pointing fingers. This is when the Knicks will turn the corner.
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9/28/2006  11:17 AM
I don't know about that. Wilkens and Herb combined for 17-36 (.320) after Marbury anointed himself the best. That's NOT respectable. Across 82 games that amounts to 26 wins.

If you break down their records by their tenure and not some arbitrary time period where they only did bad, you will find that they were respectable.
Then we lost Nazr, TT, Sweets, and Kurt, plus the team of quitters quit. Considering all that, a dropoff of 3 games to 23-59 (.280) was not much at all.

Gimme a break.
But lets hope we can shed the legacy of Brown and get back to respectability.

26 wins here we come!!!

More like 38. Just what everyone would have crapped themselves with glee over if LB had done it.

I'll never understand this double standard...

oohah

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9/28/2006  11:22 AM
of course you guys disagree with Mo!
We WERE a good team with Chaney
We WERE a good team with Lenny
Larry DID fail miserably...

oh wait.. which part of what Mo said were you guys disagreeing with?
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9/28/2006  11:27 AM
I've never seen a group of people so focused on a coach before in my life. It's downright weird.

I'm just glad to see a player take personal responsibility. THIS IS WHAT MEN DO!!!! They don't blame others, they take responsibility. Hopefully Marbs, and Francis and the rest will do the same. And when they do I will applaud them.
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9/28/2006  11:30 AM
Posted by oohah:

Phuck Taylor, he was the same guy bitching about LB during last season.

The losing did not start with Brown it just got worse than we ever dreamed. Just check Chaney's, Williams', and Wilkens' winning percentage and compare it to LB's.

Let me give y'all a hint, 3 of them will be respectable, and one will not...

oohah

LB's would have been similar too if he had followed his predecessors lead and let Isiah and the players run the asylum. But that's not what he was hired to do, now was it? He was brought to set a foundation. Unfortunately for LB, he couldn't do what he was hired to do because of the ultimate coach killer, Starbury.

When the face of the franchise decides by the 8th game of the year to go public about wanting to switch to SG because he doesn't want to play PG the way LB wants him to, it's all down hill from there. He infected and segregated that lockerroom. You were either with Starbury or you had to dare to go against him. Throw in the other veteran malcontents and LB had no chance. Great job by Isiah there. But they have as much youth as most teams in the league, most of which will never be more than bench players in this league, if that, but I digress.

What other coach could have done any better once Starbury decided to be his coach killing self? All a coach can do is try to coach. If the players refuse to listen and don't follow him, there's absolutely nothing that you can do about it. Can you blame LB for not getting through to them? Definitely. But knowing the history of his "best" players, I think it's pretty easy to understand why LB "failed".

You want to check coaching records? Check all of Marbury's previous coaches, there's a lot of them, and see if you can find a pattern. A pattern of losing and behavior detrimental to the team. But hey, he got his and that's all that matters I guess.
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9/28/2006  11:31 AM
I think someone like Nate Robinson definitely needs someone like Marbury or Francis just to look up to. He's got the work ethic going, but he too seems a little fixated on this coach thing.
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9/28/2006  11:33 AM
didnt larry want mo off the team last season? also i find it kind of strange that mo thinks the knicks really are a 23 win team, when they won more games than that in previous years, and yet considers himself a better bball player than what he has shown in NY.
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9/28/2006  11:40 AM
Posted by oohah:
I don't know about that. Wilkens and Herb combined for 17-36 (.320) after Marbury anointed himself the best. That's NOT respectable. Across 82 games that amounts to 26 wins.

If you break down their records by their tenure and not some arbitrary time period where they only did bad, you will find that they were respectable.

It's not arbitrary at all, it's when our "leader" made a buffoon of himself and alienated himself from his teammates. it's the day a 16-13 record turned on a dime to a 2-18 streak and an 17-36 ending. It might be slightly more arbitrary than the day he demanded a trade from Minny, or wrote "all alone" on his sneakers, or alienated Marion and Amare, but probably not much more.
Then we lost Nazr, TT, Sweets, and Kurt, plus the team of quitters quit. Considering all that, a dropoff of 3 games to 23-59 (.280) was not much at all.

Gimme a break.

You mean allow you a dodge? Why you think a 23-59 season is totally unrelated to the 17-36 second half season that immediately preceded it is beyond me. And apparently beyond Mo too.
But lets hope we can shed the legacy of Brown and get back to respectability.

26 wins here we come!!!

More like 38. Just what everyone would have crapped themselves with glee over if LB had done it.

I'll never understand this double standard...

oohah

It's you who hold the double standard. I consider both seasons abominations while you consider a gutless performance under Wilkens and Berb respectable while one just marginally worse under Brown is deemed evil.



[Edited by - blueSeats on 09-28-2006 11:43 AM]
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9/28/2006  11:43 AM
I just really feel sorry for poor old Jim Dolan. He has made such excellent decisions in running this franchise, and yet the team just keeps getting worse. I'm sure it is because of these lousy coaches, spendthrift managers, and big-headed players.

Yeah, that's it.
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9/28/2006  11:44 AM
Seriously who cares what he thinks, I want him off the team along with a few others we all know. Getting rid of his great ball hogging skills is a plus. He's just trying to bought out.
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