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Solace
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9/24/2006  6:19 AM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/42320/20060924/taylor_knicks_negotiating_buyout/
Taylor, Knicks Negotiating Buyout
24th September, 2006 - 5:42 am
New York Daily News - According to a league source, the Knicks and the representatives of foward Mo Taylor are trying to negotiate a buyout that would make the veteran forward a free agent, the New York Daily News is reporting.

Taylor is entering the final season of a multiyear contract and is due $9.8 million. Knicks president/coach Isiah Thomas conceivably could wait until the February trading deadline to try to deal Taylor's expiring contract, which is what the club did last season with Penny Hardaway.

But Thomas also wants to rid his roster of veteran players whose minutes will be dramatically reduced. Taylor figures to be low on the depth chart behind forwards Channing Frye, David Lee and Malik Rose. Also, newcomer Jared Jeffries can play both forward positions.

The 6-8 Taylor averaged a career-low 18.1 minutes in 67 games last season.

Interestingly, former coach Larry Brown last season tried to persuade management to cut players because he felt it would improve team chemistry. Taylor and backup center Jerome James were two players Brown wanted off the team. Brown also talked about wanting to release Jalen Rose and rookie guard Nate Robinson as well.

Jalen Rose also is entering the last year of his contract and is a prime candidate to be traded by the deadline. There also is a possibility that the Knicks would look to buy out Rose's contract if Quentin Richardson cannot be traded. [READ]
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9/24/2006  6:34 AM
I don't think Taylor is nearly as bad as many around here make him out to be, but this is a good move for the team.

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9/24/2006  7:20 AM
i agree with this sentiment. I man'd up on the mot trade thread, and he hit open looks...if he had his mind right, he could really help out frye as moT can hit the open jumper and post up with the best of them.

He came into camp last year out of shape, and he has the kind of mouth that would lead to trouble in the papers, so why not continue the rebuild and let him go...i say penny hardaway him (leave him in memphis until he's traded) or buy him out for less than half the value of his contract.

or simply try to convince him to give it his all in practice.

who knows.

is there a contract worth picking up for him at this point? Unless he's part of a 4 player block buster, I'm hitching my wagon to a front court rotation of frye, lee, curry, jefferies from here on out.
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I don't think Taylor is nearly as bad as many around here make him out to be, but this is a good move for the team.

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9/24/2006  8:05 AM
Us buying out would be great, in that it would prevent us from using him in a trade for another overpriced contract and shooting ourselves in foot again.

And no, Mo T doesn't suck, he has a decent post game, but we barely utilized him. He also has a very lazy work ethic and was paid way too much for what he brought to the team. Clarence Weatherspoon and Othella Harrington were much better, it pains me to say.
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9/24/2006  8:15 AM
Posted by Solace:

Us buying out would be great, in that it would prevent us from using him in a trade for another overpriced contract and shooting ourselves in foot again.

And no, Mo T doesn't suck, he has a decent post game, but we barely utilized him. He also has a very lazy work ethic and was paid way too much for what he brought to the team. Clarence Weatherspoon and Othella Harrington were much better, it pains me to say.

I'm surprised they're not trying to trade him. This would be a first! Maybe it's just a spun message they wanted to get out.
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9/24/2006  8:15 AM
Of all the bad trades that Isiah has made, most of them could be rationalized more effectively than the Taylor trade, which made no sense at all.

If they truly want to cut payroll, and don't want to trade Rose's and Taylor's expiring contracts for longer contracts, they might as well buy them out now.
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9/24/2006  8:21 AM

1. Its an admission Isiah made a mistake.

2. Its an admission Larry had little tact to suggest we do the right thing and shed the team of its bad seeds.

3. Larry wanted to cut nate? Does he have no trade value? Maybe just news fodder, maybe Nate has the mind of a 9 year old.
And we do have lots of guards.

4. If Isiah did not want Jaelen in the Vince Sweepstakes, why we take him a year later? Bad blood between Vince and Lenny? And to be fair Vince was tanking it then. But hindsight 20-20 is only fair we bash Isiah like we bash all other GM's for blowing a deal. Oh, its all larrys fault. Ok, I understand!


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http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_11895.shtml
SHOWDOWN: Maurice Taylor vs. A Can of Diet Coke
By Bill "The Rocket Guy" Ingram
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Mar 5, 2005, 19:34

Here it is, folks, the showdown you've all been waiting for. Which player is more productive - Maurice Taylor or a can of Diet Coke? A can of Diet Coke, you ask? Yes! As it turns out, the popular soda actually has more potential on a basketball court than the former Rockets forward. Check out this installment of The Rockets Report to find out why!


Bill "The Rocket Guy" Ingram
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I have to give my partner Steve Kyler credit for inspiring this the train of thought that resulted in this comparative break down. He asked me what I thought of the trade that sent Maurice Taylor to the New York Knicks for Moochie Norris and Vin Baker. I was overjoyed, of course, that the Rockets re-acquired fan favorite Moochie Norris, but I told Steve that I would have happily traded Taylor for a can of Diet Coke, and that the Rockets would probably get better production from the Coke. Well, sometimes when you're in the car you wander off into another world and begin fantasizing about inexplicable weird things. This is exactly what happened as I drove from Dallas to Houston in anticipation of a showdown between the Rockets and Mavs. The following is the direct result of that temporary departure from reality.

You're the general manager of the Houston Rockets, and you get a phone call from Isiah Thomas, asking you what you would take for Maurice Taylor. Thomas, you see, has an affinity for 6'8" players, and also for players who make much more money than they will ever truly earn. Taylor fits both of these categories, so Thomas is willing to do just about anything to get him into a Knicks uniform. Yes, you tell Mr. Thomas. I'll gladly send you Maurice Taylor, but you must send me a can of Diet Coke. The incredulous Thomas hungrily agrees and that swap is made. Who got the better end of the deal? Well, let's break it down.

OFFENSE

Maurice Taylor is a capable scorer, though never at a time when you really need a basket. He doesn't set screens and he wouldn't have a clue what to do if an offensive rebound caromed off in his direction. He would likely get hit in the face and miss several weeks with a broken nose.

The can of Diet Coke, on the other hand, could prove quite useful on the offensive end. Because of his small stature, DC can set screens that the opposing players can't see, and therefore cannot anticipate. The help defenders, likewise, would not see the screen coming, so they would not think to cheat over and help. This would enable Tracy McGrady to get open much more easily, as his defender would trip over the screen set by DC and fall down, leaving McGrady wide open to swish home any shot he felt like dropping in. DC could also set screens for Yao Ming, who often gets fouled but rarely gets rewarded with a trip to the line. One unsuspecting screen from our man DC and that help defender will be on his padded rear, leaving Yao free to score at ease over just one defender. Better yet, the help defender might trip and then send DC rolling under the foot of the initial defender. The result is a wide open dunk for Yao. Imagine how many threes David Wesley, Jon Barry, and Mike James could knock down with DC setting those tough screens. The NBA might have to invent a new category of assist, relative to setting screens that create open shots. DC would set an unbreakable record in that new category.

WINNER: Clearly Diet Coke would win this statistical match-up. Taylor is of limited use on the offensive end, while DC has a plethora of useful roles to play.

DEFENSE

Maurice Taylor . . .hmm. Well, he doesn't play any.

The can of Diet Coke, on the other hand, is quite the defensive specialist. Simply place our friend DC in the paint underneath the basket on the defensive end and he can wreak more havoc than even Hakeem Olajuwon himself. Players driving to the lane would most likely step on him, spraining their ankles, and having to sit out the rest of the game. If that weren't enough, Coach Van Gundy could always pot the top on our man DC, causing him to spill out his insides all over the defensive end of the court. The slick surface would make it impossible for the opposing team to get traction, even with the best basketball shoes on the planet. As they slip and slide the refs would call them for traveling, resulting in turnovers and extra possessions for the Rockets. After just a few trips down the floor most of the players on the opposing team would be injured, therefore giving the Rockets a win by means of forfeit. Those who weren't injured would be unable to score for lack of footing and frequency of turnovers. 82-0 has a pretty nice ring to it, and most of the credit would go to our man Diet Coke, the unanimous choice for Defensive Player of the Year.

WINNER: Yes, again our boy DC is the clear winner. No contest.

REBOUNDING

Of course, there are other things to be considered. Offense and defense are essential, but there are equally important elements that must be considered, just to be fair. The first is rebounding.

Mo Taylor has never been much of a rebounder. For all of his 6'9" frame and his 255 pounds, Taylor is one of the worst rebounders in the league in his size category. He did average 6.5 rebounds per game in his contract year in LA, but Rockets fans can tell you that without the motivation of an expiring contract, Taylor is virtually useless on the glass. He was grabbing just 4.3 rebounds per game for the Rockets before he came down with a "flu that kept him out of action for a month and a half. The flu miraculously lifted when Mo was traded, but his rebounding has not improved. He's giving the Knicks 1.3 boards in limited action off the bench. Truthfully, the odds are better that a ball might arbitrarily come to rest on top of a stationary can of Diet Coke placed randomly under the basket than they are that Taylor would use his bulk to position himself and collect a rebound.

(You may think that I am employing an hyperbole as part of this analysis. Here "hyperbole" means an exaggeration for dramatic effect, and might indicate that perhaps Mo Taylor really is a better rebounder than a can of Diet Coke, but that I might say otherwise for the purpose of entertaining the audience or making a specific point. Perhaps I was being slightly hyperbolous, but I do believe that if an experiment were performed Diet Coke would come out on top. Unfortunately, we may never know for sure.)

SALARY CAP

Our first three categories have been no-brainers, but this category may be the no brainerest of them all. Maurice Taylor will cost the New York Knicks more than $8 million next season. DC will cost the Rockets nothing, and will actually add money to the teams' salary cap. The Rockets could certainly extract a steep promotional fee from Coca Cola Bottling Company, Inc. for giving their product the level of exposure that would certainly follow Diet Coke being made the first inanimate object to ever be named as a starter for an NBA team. There would be additional incentives if DC won the Defensive Player of the Year, and even more if DC was judged to be the Most Valuable Player. Winning a championship would carry additional incentives. Before all is said and done DC could easily bring in an extra 10-20 million dollars for the Rockets' salary cap. Clearly Diet Coke has won another important category in his battle with Mo Taylor.

CONCLUSION

In summary we can see that Diet Coke is a better rebounder and defender than Maurice Taylor, and that his uses on the offensive end make him a much better choice to start at power forward than Taylor ever was. The additional bonus of improved salary cap positioning makes DC an invaluable addition to the team. A trade of Mo Taylor for a can of Diet Coke might well be the kind of move that could make Rockets GM Carroll Dawson the NBA's Executive of the Year. The fact that Dawson was able to squeeze the Knicks for Moochie Norris and the ending contract of Vin Baker should make the choice that much more clear cut. The Rockets made out like bandits at the trade deadline. There can be no question about that.



Bill "The Rocket Guy" Ingram is Executive Editor for NEWS@ HOOPSWORLD.COM and covers the Rockets, Mavs, and Spurs for Basketball News Services.
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9/24/2006  9:17 AM
Typical stupid Isiah/Dolan move. Mo really isn't as bad as people make him out to be and he's a servicible backup incase Frye or Lee go down. Not to mention, come deadline time, thats going to be a valuable contract. And if we don't trade him? Who cares, he's gone at the end of the year and his contract is off our books. But stupid Dolan wants to waste a little more of his own money.
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Posted by CrashDMB237:

Typical stupid Isiah/Dolan move. Mo really isn't as bad as people make him out to be and he's a servicible backup incase Frye or Lee go down. Not to mention, come deadline time, thats going to be a valuable contract. And if we don't trade him? Who cares, he's gone at the end of the year and his contract is off our books. But stupid Dolan wants to waste a little more of his own money.

Maybe they'll use the extra roster spot on Q Woods or someone else who's better and younger than Mo.
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9/24/2006  9:37 AM
My preference would be to do like we did to Penny. Let him go work on recovering from an "injury" until the trade dead line. Right now why would a team trade for him if the cat is out of the bad that we are working on releasing him.
On the other hand, if they think bringing him into camp will be disruptive to the chemistry they are trying to develop then this is addition by subtraction.
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9/24/2006  10:02 AM
Somehow they will construe this as a Layden move by using the 10 degress of Kevin Bacon technique.
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1. Its an admission Isiah made a mistake.

2. Its an admission Larry had little tact to suggest we do the right thing and shed the team of its bad seeds.

3. Larry wanted to cut nate? Does he have no trade value? Maybe just news fodder, maybe Nate has the mind of a 9 year old.
And we do have lots of guards.

4. If Isiah did not want Jaelen in the Vince Sweepstakes, why we take him a year later? Bad blood between Vince and Lenny? And to be fair Vince was tanking it then. But hindsight 20-20 is only fair we bash Isiah like we bash all other GM's for blowing a deal. Oh, its all larrys fault. Ok, I understand!

Lets see....Teflon-Brown wanted to cut Mo-T. Now Isiah wants to cut Mo-T so that somehow validates Teflon-Brown in your mind. But then it comes out that Teflon wanted to cut Nate, and you toss it to the curb as News fodder and inuendo.

And for the 50-11th time....Teflon-Brown begged zeke for Jalen's services.

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9/24/2006  10:54 AM
I agree that there were good things that Mo T did for us last year, and he wasn't really the reason for us being so bad, but he didn't have much use for this team and Isiah would have only traded his expiring contract for crap anyway, so I have to say that this would be a good move. If Isiah can do this with 1 or 2 more guys then that's great.
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9/24/2006  10:58 AM
It guarentees that his contract comes off the books after this year. It guarantees that IT does not make a trade with MoT's contract for a longer contract!

This is a smart move. It makes sense. NY needs to make room for younger players with POTENTIAL.
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9/24/2006  11:01 AM
Imagine how smart it would have been to do this before the summer started to free up a roster spot for Jackie Butler!
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Posted by Solace:

Us buying out would be great, in that it would prevent us from using him in a trade for another overpriced contract and shooting ourselves in foot again.

Agreed
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9/24/2006  11:10 AM
Interestingly, former coach Larry Brown last season tried to persuade management to cut players because he felt it would improve team chemistry.
LOL

maybe the upside to the LB stuff is that despite the fact that while he screwed up and did a bad job, Isiah realized that LB was right, and that they did need defenders, role players and veterans cut.
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Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Nalod:


1. Its an admission Isiah made a mistake.

2. Its an admission Larry had little tact to suggest we do the right thing and shed the team of its bad seeds.

3. Larry wanted to cut nate? Does he have no trade value? Maybe just news fodder, maybe Nate has the mind of a 9 year old.
And we do have lots of guards.

4. If Isiah did not want Jaelen in the Vince Sweepstakes, why we take him a year later? Bad blood between Vince and Lenny? And to be fair Vince was tanking it then. But hindsight 20-20 is only fair we bash Isiah like we bash all other GM's for blowing a deal. Oh, its all larrys fault. Ok, I understand!

Lets see....Teflon-Brown wanted to cut Mo-T. Now Isiah wants to cut Mo-T so that somehow validates Teflon-Brown in your mind. But then it comes out that Teflon wanted to cut Nate, and you toss it to the curb as News fodder and inuendo.

And for the 50-11th time....Teflon-Brown begged zeke for Jalen's services.

Brown hates players like Jalen. He already had him traded once. Isiah damn near completed a trade for of Jalen for Penny Hardaway the year before-

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Only in New York; the people who picked the Knicks to win 50 games are having conniptions because Isiah Thomas maintains his team is right where it should be -- hovering around the (Desmond) Mason- (Juan) Dixon line -- and won't do something (as in fire coach Lenny Wilkens) to justify their position, make 'em look good, in other words.

Once again, for the uninformed and the slow learners: Penny Hardaway has not demanded a trade.

Is he upset about having to play minor minutes, when healthy, behind Allan Houston and Trevor Ariza. Yes.

Was he pouting before and after injuring his hamstring? Yes.

Does Thomas believe Hardaway's still hamstrung? Have you ever heard him question injury claims by players?

Did Thomas banish Hardaway to Memphis so he couldn't pollute the Knicks' atmosphere? No. Penny told Isiah he needs time to get better and asked if it would be OK to rehab in his hometown. Why would anybody turn down such a meager request?

Will Thomas trade Hardaway? In a heartbeat if something reasonable can be arranged. As even the uninformed and the slow learners know by now, Penny was part of the package (along with Tim Thomas) being offered for Vince Carter and Jalen Rose. What they don't know (until now) is the Knicks' pursuit of Rose continued after Carter was traded to the Nets.

Will Rob Babcock accept Hardaway even up for Rose? It doesn't appear so; of course, uncompromising stances have a way of changing in a heated rush. Who knows what would happen should Rose's frustration from being demoted to sub status bubble, bubble into no toil and trouble.

As I understand it, the Raptors' rookie general manager is holding out for his routine end-of-contract deal. That (and two first-round draft picks vs. the solitary first-rounder Portland and Memphis were prepared to give up) is what clinched Carter's deportation to New Jersey. And that's what killed the most recent conversation with the Blazers.

Babcock insisted on Shareef Abdur-Rahim or Damon Stoudamire or Nick Van Exel, all in the finishing phase of their sky-box agreements. And the Blazers insisted Derek Anderson's three-year ($9.1 million average) contract be included as part of the exchange rate for Rose's three-year ($15.7 million average) pact.

Hardaway has one year left ($15.7 million) after this. At the very least, Babcock can save his owners $16.9 million, Rose's segue salary. Imagine the impression he can make on his new bosses if he's somehow able to remain patient and pare the payroll by another year.

In summation, Wilkens is safe for at least another week; after the next big loss, look for Thomas to fire Brendan Suhr and replace him with Dick Versace; and Hardaway may demand to be traded yet, depending on whether he can find three people who actually want the Olympics in New York.

I DON'T RECALL Richard Jefferson squealing to be traded after Kenyon Martin was donated to Denver and it was uncertain whether Jason Kidd's repaired knee would allow him to beat his wife off the dribble. So I expect we'll hear no squawking from Kidd about a trade now that Jefferson is shelved for the season.

NATURALLY, KEVIN McHale is interested in acquiring Kidd to clean up his mess in Minnesota. Problem is, except for Kevin Garnett, the Timberwolves have nothing that should interest the Nets except financial relief; and I do believe owner Bruce Ratner just got through swearing on a stack of NBA Guides he's in the basketball business to win games not drop decimals.

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Thursday, January 20, 2005
Looking at Marshall and Rose
The Knicks are talking about picking up Donyell Marshall and Jalen Rose, perhaps in exchange for Kurt Thomas and either Penny Hardaway or Tim Thomas.

Jalen Rose is a great scorer who can create his own shot, and another weapon the Knicks could desperately use in the fourth quarter. He's also a defensive liability, but on the Knicks that's nothing new. Donyell Marshall is an oversized small forward at heart, not unlike Tim Thomas, only he also has a reputation for stepping up when the game is on the line (see last night, for instance). The best part about the combination of Rose and Marshall is that they've proven that they play well together, something not too many players on the Knicks can say. The sum of these two is much greater than either of their individual contributions.

On the other hand, the Knicks would have to give up Kurt Thomas and a player who at this point is dead weight: either Tim Thomas or Penny Hardaway. Kurt Thomas is the Knicks' primary defender and runs the pick-and-roll well with Steph Marbury, but he also has a way of taking games off and not producing in the fourth quarter (read my other post for today to see the not-so-pretty results). Tim Thomas and Penny Hardaway are most valuable as trade fodder in the offseason, when some lucky team will get to take their huge contracts off the books the offseason after. Unfortunately, they won't be able to do the Knicks any good, since New York is over the cap limit with or without them until a few seasons after owner Jim Dolan gives up on the team.

Overall, I think the trade would help the Knicks where they're hurting most, but will also exascerbate a problem that they haven't had to deal with but everyone sees coming. Marshall and Rose would definitely put the Knicks in a better position to finish games strongly, but the addition of Rose would be just one more backcourt mouth to feed on top of Jamal Crawford and Allan Houston. I'd expect the Knicks to trade one of them before or at the same time that this potential trade goes through - that is, IF it goes through. The Raptors have bailed on the Knicks before...http://www.syracuse.com/weblogs/knicks/index.ssf?/mtlogs/njo_knicks/archives/2005_01.html
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On The Beat - Eastern Conference - Atlantic Division - December 15, 2004

New York Knicks (11-10)

The Knicks have won three of their last four games (against New Jersey, Denver, and New Orleans) as they perch on the top in the victory-deprived Atlantic Division… All-star G-Allan Houston made his season debut in a 106-104 loss to the Washington Wizards after recovering from knee surgery. Houston also missed the last 32 games of last season. In the three games since his return, Houston has averaged 6.7 points in just under 16 minutes a game. Coaches will give him limited minutes to ensure a safe recovery… Knicks GM-Isiah Thomas has reportedly been extremely active in negotiations with the Toronto Raptors to acquire their all-star G-Vince Carter. Sources have said that Thomas has offered G-Penny Hardaway, F-Tim Thomas, and F-Jerome Williams for Carter and G-Jalen Rose. The Raptors have not taking the offer seriously. There is now growing speculation that the Raptors will be interested if G-Jamal Crawford, C-Nazr Mohammed, or F-Kurt Thomas is included. The one trump card that the Knicks hold is their willingness to also take Rose and his high salary of the Raptors hands, something that no other interested teams are prepared to do. http://www.ringsurf.com/info/Sports/Basketball/NBA/NBA_-_On_The_Beat/Atlantic_Div_Eastern_Conference_Dec_15/
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01.20.05
Knicks/Raptors Trade Talk

If Jalen Rose and Donyell Marshall are really headed to New York, as the New York Daily News’ Frank Isola hints, it is a shame for the Knicks said trade couldn’t have occured prior to last night’s 4th quarter capitulation to the Toronto Raptors.

Isiah Thomas’ month-long pursuit of Donyell Marshall and Jalen Rose (above) has finally reached a point where the Knicks and Raptors are discussing a deal that would send Kurt Thomas and Penny Hardaway to Toronto.

According to a league source, Thomas and Rob Babcock, the Raptors general manager, exchanged phone calls yesterday in an attempt to hammer out a deal that would represent Thomas’ first major roster move since he acquired Jamal Crawford from the Bulls in August.

More importantly, the deal would also change the way the Knicks play since Marshall, who would play power forward, is regarded as a perimeter player. The 6-11 Marshall had six 3-pointers in Monday’s win over Minnesota and is averaging 10.5 points and 6.8 rebounds in 24.1minutes.

The under-rated Marshall, who has even played center for Toronto this season, is the player who interests Thomas most. However, Rose is also a proven scorer, averaging 14.9 points in 28.9 minutes. He also has a reputation of being a disruptive presence in the locker room, which is why Indiana, with Thomas as its coach, traded Rose three years ago.

The success of both the Phoenix Suns and Seattle Sonics has apparently encouraged Thomas to adopt a smaller and quicker style. The theory is that if the Knicks can spread the floor with shooters - Crawford, Marshall and Allan Houston - it would maximize Stephon Marbury’s ability to penetrate and pass.

The one major risk is that the Knicks would be sacrificing defense. Kurt Thomas, a natural power forward, is the team’s best low-post defender. He is also effective in playing the pick-and-roll game that is Marbury’s strength. Isiah Thomas, however, may be convinced that unproven second-year forward Michael Sweetney is ready to play significant minutes.

Marshall, who is also coveted by Minnesota, is in the final year of his contract that will pay him $5 million. Marshall’s agent, Andy Miller, refused to comment yesterday when asked about the possibility of the UConn product being traded to New York.

Rose is making $14.4 million, $15.9 million next year and $16.5 million in 2006-07. The Raptors have been looking to move his contract since last summer. The same is true of the Knicks and Hardaway, who asked to be traded two weeks ago and hasn’t been seen or heard from since. Hardaway’s contract expires after next season. http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/?p=811
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Rose in trade talks

ROBERT MACLEOD

The rumour mills were turning in the National Basketball Association yesterday, with the Toronto Raptors featuring prominently in the trade talk.

Turner Network Television reported the Raptors were considering sending unhappy swingman Jalen Rose to New York in exchange for 6-foot-7 forward Penny Hardaway.

TNT also said Toronto could wind up sending Donyell Marshall to Minnesota as part of the deal that would send Timberwolves forward Latrell Sprewell to Miami in exchange for Eddie Jones. It was unclear who Toronto would get in return.
-This is that deal I kept talking about that was reported on TNT, but could never find a link for.

But Raptors general manager Rob Babcock dismissed the talk.

"There is no truth to it whatsoever," he said last night.http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050114/RAPTRADE14/TPSports/Basketball
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Originally published on January 20, 2005
Isiah seeks to score Donyell and Jalen for Kurt and Penny

BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

TORONTO - Isiah Thomas' month-long pursuit of Donyell Marshall and Jalen Rose has finally reached a point where the Knicks and Raptors are discussing a deal that would send Kurt Thomas and Penny Hardaway to Toronto.

According to a league source, Thomas and Rob Babcock, the Raptors general manager, exchanged phone calls yesterday in an attempt to hammer out a deal that would represent Thomas' first major roster move since he acquired Jamal Crawford from the Bulls in August.

More importantly, the deal would also change the way the Knicks play since Marshall, who would play power forward, is regarded as a perimeter player. The 6-11 Marshall had six 3-pointers in Monday's win over Minnesota and is averaging 10.5 points and 6.8 rebounds in 24.1minutes.

The under-rated Marshall, who has even played center for Toronto this season, is the player who interests Thomas most. However, Rose is also a proven scorer, averaging 14.9 points in 28.9 minutes. He also has a reputation of being a disruptive presence in the locker room, which is why Indiana, with Thomas as its coach, traded Rose three years ago.

The success of both the Phoenix Suns and Seattle Sonics has apparently encouraged Thomas to adopt a smaller and quicker style. The theory is that if the Knicks can spread the floor with shooters - Crawford, Marshall and Allan Houston - it would maximize Stephon Marbury's ability to penetrate and pass.

The one major risk is that the Knicks would be sacrificing defense. Kurt Thomas, a natural power forward, is the team's best low-post defender. He is also effective in playing the pick-and-roll game that is Marbury's strength. Isiah Thomas, however, may be convinced that unproven second-year forward Michael Sweetney is ready to play significant minutes.

Marshall, who is also coveted by Minnesota, is in the final year of his contract that will pay him $5 million. Marshall's agent, Andy Miller, refused to comment yesterday when asked about the possibility of the UConn product being traded to New York.

Rose is making $14.4 million, $15.9 million next year and $16.5 million in 2006-07. The Raptors have been looking to move his contract since last summer. The same is true of the Knicks and Hardaway, who asked to be traded two weeks ago and hasn't been seen or heard from since. Hardaway's contract expires after next season.

Rose and Isiah Thomas had a famous falling out when Thomas coached the Pacers. Rose who has since cleared the air with Thomas, reminded reporters that his relationship with Thomas dates back to when Rose was growing up in Detroit and Thomas played for the Pistons.

"At the end of the day, he wasn't the GM or the president of Indiana," Rose said. "Ultimately, he didn't make the decision to trade me."

Rose, however, is represented by renowned agent David Falk, who is an archenemy of Thomas. Falk publicly criticized Thomas last season after Thomas traded away another Falk client, Keith Van Horn. Former Knick Dikembe Mutombo said that Falk warned him last season that once Thomas became Knicks president he would look to trade the veteran center because of a strained relationship with the agent that dates back to Thomas' days as union president.

Last season, Mutombo and Thomas also had a disagreement. Thomas had suggested to Mutombo that he take some time off - "a vacation," the center called it - and rejoin the team right before the playoffs were to begin. Mutombo refused to take a forced leave of absence and was eventually traded to Chicago in the Crawford deal and then was rerouted to Houston.


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9/24/2006  11:27 AM
Joe, that's just garbage media speculation. In contrast, Brown's has been directly quoted saying he asked Isiah to get Francis. (I'm not sure if he has been quoted about Rose too, though.)
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