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BRIGGS
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8/22/2006  8:47 PM
not a big fan of al, but he upgrades the pacers into a top 4 eastern team imho.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AqMRW_wtNhWvxnsjdGZcBqo5nYcB?slug=ap-hawks-pacerstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns
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Marv
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8/22/2006  8:54 PM
interesting. doesn't say what they paid him. gave up an '07 #1. does he set back granger? is he what they need? larry's looking to stockpile talent. doesn't always work.
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8/22/2006  9:01 PM
Posted by Marv:

interesting. doesn't say what they paid him. gave up an '07 #1. does he set back granger? is he what they need? larry's looking to stockpile talent. doesn't always work.

Marv they are loaded with guys 6-8+ witha ton of talent. Maybe they are angling to get out of Jermaine Oneal's contract?
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8/22/2006  9:17 PM
hes talented but they have daniels granger harrington stephen jackson and shawne williams all best fit for the 3. i guess they could start jax, daniels or granger, harrington, with o'neal. they should move williams or daniels for a point guard IMO to balance out the team
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Rich
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8/22/2006  9:19 PM
The Hawks must have a ton of cap room.
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8/22/2006  11:35 PM
tons. And there is no reason we couldn't have traded with them...at this point, this is the knicks bed, we are laying in it.

The only player I want is JOneil...I believe in the upside and current abilities of everyone on our roster over everyone else in the league.

We finally have a team.
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8/23/2006  7:04 AM
you believed that last year. Maybe we should wait and watch them play basketball first?
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8/23/2006  7:20 AM
maybe we should follow our own advice.
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8/23/2006  7:34 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

tons. And there is no reason we couldn't have traded with them...at this point, this is the knicks bed, we are laying in it.

I don't think we could have traded. The Hawks didn't want to take back any salary, and they didn't. We could not have provided that deal for them.

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8/23/2006  8:11 AM
They plan to play Al Harrington at the 4 spot. So they don't think he will slow down the development of Granger and S. Williams. I don't know why Indiana drafted S. Williams when they could have had Marcus Williams. People talk about the Knicks making a mistake on passing on Marcus but it was really Indiana that should have taken him. They have a hole at pg that they don't seem to fully appreciate. Let's see how long it takes before Jamaal Tinsley gets hurt.

Before we got JJ2, I was hoping Isiah could pull off a Francis for Harrington trade, but it looks like Atlanta was too smart to bite on that one. I am sure Isiah made the offer.
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8/23/2006  12:42 PM
Posted by TheGame:

They plan to play Al Harrington at the 4 spot. So they don't think he will slow down the development of Granger and S. Williams. I don't know why Indiana drafted S. Williams when they could have had Marcus Williams. People talk about the Knicks making a mistake on passing on Marcus but it was really Indiana that should have taken him. They have a hole at pg that they don't seem to fully appreciate. Let's see how long it takes before Jamaal Tinsley gets hurt.

Before we got JJ2, I was hoping Isiah could pull off a Francis for Harrington trade, but it looks like Atlanta was too smart to bite on that one. I am sure Isiah made the offer.

Can someone please explain this to me. The Pacers who previously did not think Al was worthy of making big money now wants to give him big money, traded away their 07 1st round pick, traded away Ron Artest (who was vastly underpaid) more than reasonable contract for a FA who they didn't want to re-up. Strange moves to get back to point A.
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8/23/2006  12:56 PM
8 million dollars for a player that can play two foward positions and score with the best of them is not overpaying, they made a nice trade for steven jackson and should have went to the NBA Finals if artest didn't have a melt done....

Tinsely
Jackson/Daniels
Granger/Williams
Harrinton/Foster
O'Neal/Harrison

I like that team more than ours it has a lot of balance, so the made a great deal
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8/23/2006  12:57 PM
Posted by MS:

8 million dollars for a player that can play two foward positions and score with the best of them is not overpaying, they made a nice trade for steven jackson and should have went to the NBA Finals if artest didn't have a melt done....

Tinsely
Jackson/Daniels
Granger/Williams
Harrinton/Foster
O'Neal/Harrison

I like that team more than ours it has a lot of balance, so the made a great deal

they need a point guard, i wouldn't be surprised to see them make a david harrison for brevin knight type of move. I think they have one too many swingmen, so maybe they should consider moving williams or jackson
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8/23/2006  3:39 PM
Personally I don't see how the pacers can do well with all these players. Oneil is a PowerForward that needs a banger at center and Harrington is a small forward that needs to play alot of Power on the court..... their two best players really can't play on the floor together.

I think they aren't going to do good this season and are already focused on trading Tinsely, JOneal and Jaxs. And I think they will better with a Green, Daniels, Granger, Harrington,Harrison Lineup. I think that is a team Carlisle would want to run..........

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8/23/2006  11:41 PM
Here's a good read. Don't know if they had this vision to start with, but if they did, it is one of the best forecasting jobs I have seen in a while.

Pacers show brains in Harrington deal
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By Chad Ford
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It's not shocking to hear the words "great trade" when the team attached to the other end of the deal is the Atlanta Hawks.

The Pistons heard it when they stole Rasheed Wallace from the Hawks at the trade deadline in 2004 -- a move that gave them the NBA title. The Suns heard it (albeit belatedly) when they got two first-round draft picks and Boris Diaw for Joe Johnson last summer.

Al Harrington
Al Harrington will be back in blue and gold this season.

But in the case of the recently consummated Al Harrington trade, I'm letting Hawks GM Billy Knight off the hook. It wasn't Knight's incompetence that made this a great deal for the Pacers. It was the brilliant maneuvering of the Pacers' front office that made this deal, in my book, the best move of the summer.

While the Bulls and Hornets made splashier signings in July with the acquisitions of Ben Wallace and Peja Stojakovic, respectively, those transactions had their share of thorns.

For the Pacers, this one came up all aces. Here's why:

1. Harrington pushes the Pacers to the next level.
There were a lot of interesting signings and trades this summer, but how many of them clearly pushed a team into a different level of playoff contention?

Wallace's addition to Chicago may have that effect. However, the Bulls still have enough question marks that it's unclear exactly how big a push they'll get. To make Wallace's contract worth the expenditure, the Bulls will have to reach the Eastern Conference finals. He might get them there (and beyond), but I'm not sold.

Stojakovic will add a few W's to the Hornets' win column, but how many? The best-case scenario is that they are a seventh or eighth seed in the West (not sure that's worth $62 million).

But Harrington puts the Pacers back in contention in the East, in part because the Pacers didn't have to give up much to get him. You can argue that they ended up giving up Stojakovic (or, by extension, Ron Artest) to acquire the trade exception that landed Harrington, but given Artest's bad behavior and Stojakovic's injury history, I'd take Harrington (and his cheaper deal) any day.

What makes Harrington work in Indiana is twofold. One is his familiarity with the team. He'll be able to step right in and fit in with his teammates and head coach Rick Carlisle's schemes. Two, his versatility gives the Pacers a number of options on the front line. They can play Jermaine O'Neal at the five, Harrington at the four and a combo of Danny Granger and Marquis Daniels at the three. Or they can play Jeff Foster in the middle, move O'Neal to the four and put Harrington at the three depending on matchups.

He also gives the Pacers something else they desperately need, a reliable second scoring option that doesn't need the spotlight. Harrington will be cast perfectly in a supporting role in Indiana alongside O'Neal.

When you factor in the Pacers' other additions this summer -- Daniels, Darrell Armstrong, Maceo Baston, Shawne Williams and James White -- the Pacers are more athletic, more versatile and deeper than they've been the past few years.

In my mind, the Pacers not only made the best move of the summer, they had the best summer, overall, of any team in the NBA.

2. They didn't overpay.
The Pacers got a relative steal, nailing down Harrington on a four-year, $35 million deal. By the market's ridiculous standards, that's a huge bargain.

Coming into the offseason Harrington was ranked as the third- or fourth-best free agent available. Wallace got $60 million over four years. Stojakovic got $62 million over five. Nene, coming off a year on the DL, got $60 million over six years. Jason Terry walked away with a six-year, $50-million deal. Even guys such as Mike James, Nazr Mohammed and Vladimir Radmanovic pulled down $30 million.

To get Harrington at roughly $25 million less than everyone thought he'd get goes down as the coup of the summer. Given owners' increasing unwillingness to pay the luxury tax, cap flexibility is king. Landing a talent such as Harrington on the cheap (as opposed to overpaying like almost every other team in the league did with free agents this summer) is a rarity these days.

As it stands, even after signing Harrington, the Pacers are still millions under the luxury tax threshold and will be for the next three years. After that, they'll get significant cap flexibility again. A three-year run -- that's what every team dreams of -- and the Pacers could have it without making a significant signing to their team.

3. They outsmarted the competition.
Every step along the way, the Pacers' front office of Larry Bird, Donnie Walsh and David Morway was a little smarter than everyone else it was negotiating against.

The Pacers started this summer by wisely declining to go overboard to re-sign Stojakovic. They knew that criticism would be harsh. "They lost Ron Artest for nothing!" was the cry throughout much of the national and local media.

But the Pacers had a plan. They just didn't clue us in until the deal finally happened.

Stojakovic was 29-years old. The Hornets were willing to pay him for five years to the tune of $62 million. That would've been a millstone around the Pacers' neck that they would've never recovered from.

So, the team went back to the Hornets and asked for a sign-and-trade to get a whopping $7.5 million exception. To my knowledge it's the largest trade exception in the history of the NBA. The cost to the Pacers? Roughly 200 grand.

The result? The Pacers, who were way over the cap, suddenly had the equivalent of $7.5 million in cap room. The Bulls and Hornets, two teams that had significant room, had already spent theirs. The Bobcats and Hawks, the other two teams that had lots of cap space, weren't going to spend theirs.

That left the Pacers as the only team in the league that could facilitate one more big signing. By then, they already knew who their target would be -- Harrington.

Atlanta didn't want to pay him and Harrington was loyal to Indiana after it had granted his trade demand two summers ago. Harrington learned that being the "go-to guy" on a bad team was overrated and wanted to win again. His relationship with everyone in Indiana was strong, in part, because the Pacers treated him so well the first time.

It was a deal that was going to happen, one way or the other. We wrung our hands over the on-again, off-again deal for the past month but the truth was always the same. As long as the Hawks were refusing to take back players in a trade and Harrington wanted more than a mid-level exception, there was only one team in the league that could make a deal happen -- the Pacers.

While the Hawks demanded an extra $3 million in cash, the Pacers stuck to their guns. When Harrington demanded a six-year, $57-million deal, the Pacers held firm at four years, $35 million.

All along they knew something that no one else in the league seemed to understand -- no one was going to come close to giving the Hawks or Harrington a better deal.

This type of smart management and negotiation may be commonplace in the business world, but in the NBA it's rare to find a front office that understands the intricacies of the system and the market the way Walsh, Bird and Morway did.

So when I see the Pacers' front office called "class clowns" in the Indianapolis Star I have to vehemently disagree. It's the exact opposite. They were the proverbial "smartest guys" in the room.

For a team everyone was writing off at the start of the summer, the Pacers are now in the same class as the Pistons, Bulls and Nets -- scratching at the door of the Heat for the Eastern Conference title.

There are still questions, certainly. But there are a lot fewer than there were six weeks ago.

If the old Jermaine O'Neal shows up ... if Jamaal Tinsley can stay healthy ... if Rick Carlisle will submerge his worst instincts and let this very athletic team run ... the Pacers have as good a shot as any team to play in the Eastern Conference Finals.
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8/24/2006  8:39 AM
can someone explain to me how harrington pushes the pacers into the quote unquote next level? how is he that much of an improvement over peja/artest?
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8/24/2006  3:18 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

can someone explain to me how harrington pushes the pacers into the quote unquote next level? how is he that much of an improvement over peja/artest?

YOu can just smell chads distain for all things knicks.....

Ron was not to be counted on, and Peja is injury prone. THus Baby Al Gives them 15-8 and can play two positions.

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8/24/2006  3:27 PM
I agree. How does Harrington push the Pacers to the next level? Harrington and Joe Johnson could not keep the Hawks from the basement of the league. Considering that they lost Peja, I would think Harrington would be a wash. Chad Ford is starting to believe his own bull****. And how in the world are Bird and Walsh geniuses. The Pacers have no backup point guard and passed on Marcus Williams and Rondo (and noticeable Chad gives Bird no grief for that while he belittles Isiah for passing on Marcus even though the Knicks have essentially 4 PGs already). Harrington was not part of some master plan, the Pacers got lucky. Atlanta is too cheap to take on contracts and no team with cap room actually wanted Harrington. Then Harrington signs a 4 year deal so that he will be young enough to try and get the max in a few years if he continues to improve. The Pacers lucked up after essentially giving Artest away for nothing.
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