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NYKniCksFan87
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8/6/2006  12:02 AM
I honestly have enjoyed the off seasons that Zeke has provided for us. But alot of fans/homers need to stop severly overating the signing/trades/whatever way we acquire players.

I already see threads stating we're a lock for the playoffs, and we will make it to the 1st round just with the addition of JJ(jarred).

The year before last, when we had NAzr and got crawford, we were supposed to take the atlantic division, but look what happen.

Than came the Larry Green experiment which turned into a disaster/nightmare/worst coaching job ive ever witnessed.

We got curry and james last year along with Q, we never expected Q to have such an off year, although i will give credit because he showed heart and tenacity even when he was playing like crap.

With curry we were expecting big things, but our expectations were not matched or exceeded, and some of you guys had jerome james providing us with 9 pts 5 rebs and 1.5 blocks...

All i know is that the past 4-5 years should be a lessoned learned to Knick fans as to not to overate our players and expect us to have a big year. Each time we hoped for the best, we received the worst.

Now all i can hope for is the best, but i wont predict anything because this team has let me down too often.

Lets just hope everything plays out well so we can go from laughingstock to A good team in a year.

Hopefully than our hopes for this franchise are delivered
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8/6/2006  1:20 AM
Hey man, I'm with you. It seems like the majority on this board have either completely sugarcoated everything about the next season, or it's doomsday saying.

Personally, I'm not even making predictions. I've made enough predictions to realize that I am by far the unsmartest poster on the forum and have no right predicting what will/should be happening. I really don't see how anyone can tell with this roster. We have all the talent we could possibly get, but it hasn't done caca yet. I guess if it goes well this season, then maybe we needed some more time to grow up, but if this next season sucks, for the sugar coating posters, it will be "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me..."

We'll see. I'm not even getting riled up or anything now. I like Jefferies, but still not gonna overreact. I'm just enjoying the Yankees right now and getting ansy about the Giants. I love the Knicks more than them all, but certainly wont let them ruin it.
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8/6/2006  8:23 AM
Exactly. We have been down this road for the last three years now. No predictions. No expectations. They have to prove it during the season if they are capable of playing winning basketball.
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8/6/2006  9:39 AM
it is all about chemistry. we had some talent and sometimes i thought we had talent to compete with nj. but the chemistry has been awful. we went through so many coaches. if we fail this year, it is the players who are at fault. or maybe the type of environment and atmosphere the knicks are producing. we have some players that came from successful clubs and come here to stink it up.
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8/6/2006  9:58 AM
Posted by jazz74:

it is all about chemistry. we had some talent and sometimes i thought we had talent to compete with nj. but the chemistry has been awful. we went through so many coaches. if we fail this year, it is the players who are at fault. or maybe the type of environment and atmosphere the knicks are producing. we have some players that came from successful clubs and come here to stink it up.

The funny thing is we have been through players also. Maybe its just New York.
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8/6/2006  10:26 AM
It's New York and not New York. Look at the Rangers.
In NY you should go down to the bottom to get read of false expectation and start all over again.
Rangers resurected after everybody put them in the last place in the NHL and predicted that they will need 5-7 years to became a good team again.
We still have to many guys who think that they are stars but they are avarage at best but mostly garbage.
If they will be let go or their role will be minimized we have some upside next year. Othervise it will be same story.
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8/6/2006  10:41 AM
I don't think anyone who post's in these forums are "getting carried away" I think that assuming the Jared Jeffries deal is not matched by Washington; It in effect becomes a really strong move that solidifies a position that we have a glaring weakness at (SMALL FORWARD).

I've already posted in my opinion, the type of player that Jared Jeffries is.. THAT BEING SAID, he is not the sole reason for the renewed optimism on these boards.

Lets face it, this team w/ all of its roster flaws is way better than the # of wins we produced last yr. Call it what you want, but there is no way that we should have tanked this badly. Fact is, it happened and thats what I'm betting our success on.. PLAYERS will use this as motivation to prove LB wrong, and more importantly prove to the rest of the world that they are better than a 23 win squad. No doubt, we still have some issues... But winning 40+ games is not that far of a stretch as presently constructed. Add Jeffries, and what I hope to eventually be Kenyon Martin... we got a chance to do some real damage and a playoff push could be on the horizon. I'd like to see Isiah get creative though and pick up a lights out shooter though.. Eddie House, maybe a Casey Jacobson. Somebody that stretchs the D would be real nice!

[Edited by - JayNYC on 08-06-2006 10:50 AM]
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8/6/2006  11:11 AM
The signing will help a little bit and at the best case scenario the team will be fighting for the 8th seed IMO.
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8/6/2006  11:13 AM
The least Jefferies can do is stay with the likes of
LBJ
Carmelo
Bosh
Pierce
Charlie V.
Radmonovich
Dirk
He doesn't have to be a defensive stopper all he has to do is slow them down.
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8/6/2006  11:25 AM
Posted by buddapaw:

The least Jefferies can do is stay with the likes of
LBJ
Carmelo
Bosh
Pierce
Charlie V.
Radmonovich
Dirk
He doesn't have to be a defensive stopper all he has to do is slow them down.

We were not losing to these players last season - we were losing to ourselves.
It is nothing to do with talent (it is to much hype about this term on the forum in my opinion).
We have perception and attitude problems.
Everybody in this organization needs the help of psychiatrist in first place.
Basketball is a team sport and team chemistry is the main requirement for success.
Even the All Stars team is poised to lose to well oiled team machine and we saw this in Olympics.
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8/6/2006  11:26 AM
If he's just an average man to man defender, how is he slowing them down? Plus Jeffries brings nothing to the offensive end when all those guys can take it easy and save their energy for the other end.

Why do people insist on making such a big deal about acquiring limited mediocre players?
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8/6/2006  11:36 AM
Posted by islesfan:

If he's just an average man to man defender, how is he slowing them down? Plus Jeffries brings nothing to the offensive end when all those guys can take it easy and save their energy for the other end.

Why do people insist on making such a big deal about acquiring limited mediocre players?

i think it's because of the way isiah seems to approach player acquisitions. he looks at guys in the league who show flashes of something special. they're not speciall players because they dont' have consistency and they have big flaws which are glaring when they're not flashing what's special. he takes gambles that they're going to develop this consistency here that will make them special - or at least more than what they are at the time he acquires them. i think jeffries is in that category, as are crawford, james, curry.
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8/6/2006  11:38 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:

If he's just an average man to man defender, how is he slowing them down? Plus Jeffries brings nothing to the offensive end when all those guys can take it easy and save their energy for the other end.

Why do people insist on making such a big deal about acquiring limited mediocre players?

i think it's because of the way isiah seems to approach player acquisitions. he looks at guys in the league who show flashes of something special. they're not speciall players because they dont' have consistency and they have big flaws which are glaring when they're not flashing what's special. he takes gambles that they're going to develop this consistency here that will make them special - or at least more than what they are at the time he acquires them. i think jeffries is in that category, as are crawford, james, curry.
Really? I thought Jeffries, like his recent draft picks, was an "anti-Isiah" move. Jeffries is not a flashy gaudy player like Crawford or Curry who makes the highlight films. He's just a good role player and good defensive player.

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8/6/2006  11:41 AM
No, Jeffries is the epitome of an Isiah move. Big money for a mediocre and flawed player that nobody else in the NBA would pay that kind of money for.
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8/6/2006  11:43 AM
Posted by islesfan:

If he's just an average man to man defender, how is he slowing them down?

Length, Quickness.. athleticism.


Plus Jeffries brings nothing to the offensive end when all those guys can take it easy and save their energy for the other end.

He doesn't have to be a dominant scorer on this team... he just needs to hit the open shot to keep defenses honest.. And he can certainly do that. The truth is he could avg 10-15 ppg on our roster.. In Washington playing w/ Jamison/Butler/Arenas/Hayes.. he scored like 7ppg.

Why do people insist on making such a big deal about acquiring limited mediocre players?

Limited? The guy is a do it all type of player... where is the limitation in that? This is the type of deal that we should get excited about.. this guy might be the "glue" that gels all of Isiah Thomas prior moves together. He handles the rock, plays D, can score when asked to, plays multi positions... what's not to like? Mediocrity- OK, I'll ride w/ that statement only because he has not been the SUPERSTAR that most people crave for... But I'll ask you this, if mediocrity is defined by his ability to be a top tier player in this league, then why is Washington letting the signing draw out this long? Why even contemplate matching a significant offer for a player that is "average"? Seems to me, that he has more value than you give credit for fam.
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8/6/2006  11:47 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:

If he's just an average man to man defender, how is he slowing them down? Plus Jeffries brings nothing to the offensive end when all those guys can take it easy and save their energy for the other end.

Why do people insist on making such a big deal about acquiring limited mediocre players?

i think it's because of the way isiah seems to approach player acquisitions. he looks at guys in the league who show flashes of something special. they're not speciall players because they dont' have consistency and they have big flaws which are glaring when they're not flashing what's special. he takes gambles that they're going to develop this consistency here that will make them special - or at least more than what they are at the time he acquires them. i think jeffries is in that category, as are crawford, james, curry.
Really? I thought Jeffries, like his recent draft picks, was an "anti-Isiah" move. Jeffries is not a flashy gaudy player like Crawford or Curry who makes the highlight films. He's just a good role player and good defensive player.

when i watched the wash-cleve playoff series this year, there were stretches where jeffries flashed a very effective game. very active, got his hands on a lot of balls, very disruptive on d, was all over the boards, very opportunistic and aggressive on offense. i'm calling those flashes. the guy so far has had a career that suggests that he has the capability of showing flashes like that but doesn't do it at all consisetntly. overall he's very so-so and inconsistent. like curry, crawford and . . . well i'll let you name your own description for the big game's game. but once again isiah is banking on and paying a guy like he's going to show his flashes all the time once he's here. even though he's never shown the ability to do so.
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8/6/2006  11:50 AM
I actually like the signing of Jefferies. He came out of the college with high expectations both on the offense and the defense. I think Isiah got him for both reasons not just for defense. But at 6'11'' he should be blocking shots like he is Camby. If he is a sf he has the advantage in height over most of the sfs in the league.

I can't say that I am not intrigued by the thought of having a close to a 7' front court. It should be difficult to get shots off in those trees if thing go right for the KNicks, but I am still guarded with the Knicks because they have been known to give up and until they change that part by winning consistently I'm not gonna give them props until otherwise.

[Edited by - Vmart on 08-06-2006 12:00 PM]
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8/6/2006  12:39 PM
Posted by islesfan:

If he's just an average man to man defender, how is he slowing them down? Plus Jeffries brings nothing to the offensive end when all those guys can take it easy and save their energy for the other end.

Why do people insist on making such a big deal about acquiring limited mediocre players?

how many nba starting fives have five offensive contributors? the spurs have bowen, pistons had ben wallace, mavs had dampier/diop, etc. as long as jeffries can run the break, slash in the half court, and play hard D, he won't hurt us.

EDIT: not even any guarantee jj is starting, either.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 08-06-2006 12:40 PM]
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8/6/2006  1:50 PM
I think people are optimistic b/c they see the talent on this team. THe Knicks problem is chemistry and consistency. On paper, there are only maybe 5-7 teams in this league that have more offensive talent on their roster than the Knicks. If Isiah can make the offense work consistently and improve the defense, there is no reason this team will not win 40+ games barring injuries. I think the Jefferies signing was a bad move primarily b/c I like Balkman and think that in 2 years, he will be able to do most of the things Jefferies is supposed to bring to the table (only he would be doing it on a rookie pay scale). But I hope Jefferies works out and can help the team defense. It was obvious from summer league that this team can score points. We just need to improve our individual and team defense.
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