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MaulingandAppalling
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8/1/2006  11:50 AM
I may be in the minority here, but I like what Q1 brought us last season: some mental toughness, maturity, and very, very good man-on-man defense. Also, he seems to get a lot of respect from the ref's, which made his D even more effective- whoever he was on got into foul trouble quickly. All of this is to say that I have a hope that Isaiah will keep him around for one more year. Here's the catch: what's up with his health? I've never read anything SPECIFIC about his back or whatever it is.
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8/1/2006  11:52 AM
He had back problems for a year back to the Phoenix Suns playoff run, when he was there, but I am sure they go further. That's the main problem. On the court, I can really just knock him for his shooting, as he certainly has played his ars off.
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8/1/2006  11:58 AM
Other than being a horrific shooter & flat out bad athlete, nothing...
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8/1/2006  12:01 PM
the back problems & personal issues he went through last offseason w/his family prevented him from coming into camp in shape... hopefully he starts off this year on a different note... i don't question his heart... he just needs to get his conditioning back.
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8/1/2006  12:19 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Other than being a horrific shooter & flat out bad athlete, nothing...

He was an awesome athlete before the back injuries and he's built like a pit bull on steroids. That's part of being a good athlete too.
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8/1/2006  12:22 PM
Q's defense was good last year. His shooting accuracy was average at best, and some games looked horrendous. Overall, I think he is a solid player, but to become a good player, he needs to improve his accuracy and add some things to his offense. I like him and his attitude and think that he can be a good player for the Knicks if his back holds up.
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8/1/2006  12:37 PM
Yeah I'm not sure about Q being a bad athlete. The guy had a bad year last year and shot like crarp, but bad athlete? That may be a little inaccurate
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8/1/2006  12:55 PM
Can he even jump at this point? I don't recall ever seeing his feet off the ground.
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8/1/2006  1:10 PM
He had his moments. You can tell immediately when his back is feeling better. There was a stretch of about 5 or 6 games where you could see the lift on his shot was back, he had some nasty dunks on the break. It looked like he was breaking out of his slump, then a week later he was on the injured list. Story of our season
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8/1/2006  1:57 PM
His defense abilities have to be the most overrated in the league. And to think that his average defense can compensate his atrocious shooting and his totally ineffective offensive game is not right to me. I would like to trade him, but hey, I'm not mad if he stays. What I can't understand is that some of you liked what you saw of him last year. Judging him just by his performance, if he was not the worst starting SG in the league he wasn't far at all.
I admit that, even if I had never liked him ver much, two years ago he was a very interesting player. But I think that playing for Phoenix has destroy his game almost definately. To me last year he was almost the worst player of our entire roster and by far the most disappointing one... because I knew Jerome was that bad, .
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Posted by DarkKnicks:

His defense abilities have to be the most overrated in the league. And to think that his average defense can compensate his atrocious shooting and his totally ineffective offensive game is not right to me. I would like to trade him, but hey, I'm not mad if he stays. What I can't understand is that some of you liked what you saw of him last year. Judging him just by his performance, if he was not the worst starting SG in the league he wasn't far at all.
I admit that, even if I had never liked him ver much, two years ago he was a very interesting player. But I think that playing for Phoenix has destroy his game almost definately. To me last year he was almost the worst player of our entire roster and by far the most disappointing one... because I knew Jerome was that bad, .

Well said. He was a huge disappointment for me too. I expected MUCH better.
And agreed about his defense. It was ah-ight at best. His offense was atrocious.
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8/1/2006  2:22 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by DarkKnicks:

His defense abilities have to be the most overrated in the league. And to think that his average defense can compensate his atrocious shooting and his totally ineffective offensive game is not right to me. I would like to trade him, but hey, I'm not mad if he stays. What I can't understand is that some of you liked what you saw of him last year. Judging him just by his performance, if he was not the worst starting SG in the league he wasn't far at all.
I admit that, even if I had never liked him ver much, two years ago he was a very interesting player. But I think that playing for Phoenix has destroy his game almost definately. To me last year he was almost the worst player of our entire roster and by far the most disappointing one... because I knew Jerome was that bad, .

Well said. He was a huge disappointment for me too. I expected MUCH better.
And agreed about his defense. It was ah-ight at best. His offense was atrocious.


His stats were better than those of Jerome James, Malik Rose, David Lee, Jackie Butler, Maurice Taylor and Qyntel Woods. They were very similar to those of Francis and Robinson. He was fourth on the team in rebounding and fifth in steals, while averaging second-fewest turnovers. He played with more heart than most of the team, is tougher than most of the team, and has shown signs of leadership. He never whined or cried about Larry Brown. He did all this during one of the worst years of his career and certainly a tough year personally. And during his last year on the Clips he put up numbers like 17, 6 and 2. Then he got thrown into Phoenix's system (and still did a damn good job with the transition) and then there was last year.
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Posted by DarkKnicks:

His defense abilities have to be the most overrated in the league. And to think that his average defense can compensate his atrocious shooting and his totally ineffective offensive game is not right to me. I would like to trade him, but hey, I'm not mad if he stays. What I can't understand is that some of you liked what you saw of him last year. Judging him just by his performance, if he was not the worst starting SG in the league he wasn't far at all.
I admit that, even if I had never liked him ver much, two years ago he was a very interesting player. But I think that playing for Phoenix has destroy his game almost definately. To me last year he was almost the worst player of our entire roster and by far the most disappointing one... because I knew Jerome was that bad, .

I cosign this statement. Usually when a player is God-awful on offense but gives effort he's pegged as a good defensive player. His D was def overrated.

Q was brought here to be a shooter but he can't shoot. Check out these stats from Q when he played with Nash compared to other shooters that played with him:

QRich Fg 38% 3pt Fg 35%

J Johnson Fg 46% 3pt Fg 47%

J Jackson Fg 43% 3pt FG 45%

Diaw Fg 52% 3pt Fg 42%

T Thomas Fg 49% 3pt Fg 44%

R Bell Fg 47% 3pt Fg 46%

Barbosa Fg 47% 3pt FG 39 %


One more comparison according to last years stats:

QRich 8pts 4rbs 35% fg 34% 3ptfg .71stls

Greg Buckner 7pts 3rbs 43% fg 35% 3ptfg 1 steal.

If I'm Isiah, Id beg the Wiz to take Qrich in a sign an trade for Jeffries if possible.

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8/1/2006  2:49 PM
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by DarkKnicks:

His defense abilities have to be the most overrated in the league. And to think that his average defense can compensate his atrocious shooting and his totally ineffective offensive game is not right to me. I would like to trade him, but hey, I'm not mad if he stays. What I can't understand is that some of you liked what you saw of him last year. Judging him just by his performance, if he was not the worst starting SG in the league he wasn't far at all.
I admit that, even if I had never liked him ver much, two years ago he was a very interesting player. But I think that playing for Phoenix has destroy his game almost definately. To me last year he was almost the worst player of our entire roster and by far the most disappointing one... because I knew Jerome was that bad, .

Well said. He was a huge disappointment for me too. I expected MUCH better.
And agreed about his defense. It was ah-ight at best. His offense was atrocious.


His stats were better than those of Jerome James, Malik Rose, David Lee, Jackie Butler, Maurice Taylor and Qyntel Woods. They were very similar to those of Francis and Robinson. He was fourth on the team in rebounding and fifth in steals, while averaging second-fewest turnovers. He played with more heart than most of the team, is tougher than most of the team, and has shown signs of leadership. He never whined or cried about Larry Brown. He did all this during one of the worst years of his career and certainly a tough year personally. And during his last year on the Clips he put up numbers like 17, 6 and 2. Then he got thrown into Phoenix's system (and still did a damn good job with the transition) and then there was last year.

Tim Thiomas can give you about 30 million reasons why getting Thrown into the Phoeanix system isn't a bad thing.

Kind of heard to bitch and whine when your putting 8pts per and shooting 35% from the feild.

He had some good yrs with the Clips before the injury, now he's a shell of himself.
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8/1/2006  3:48 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by DarkKnicks:

His defense abilities have to be the most overrated in the league. And to think that his average defense can compensate his atrocious shooting and his totally ineffective offensive game is not right to me. I would like to trade him, but hey, I'm not mad if he stays. What I can't understand is that some of you liked what you saw of him last year. Judging him just by his performance, if he was not the worst starting SG in the league he wasn't far at all.
I admit that, even if I had never liked him ver much, two years ago he was a very interesting player. But I think that playing for Phoenix has destroy his game almost definately. To me last year he was almost the worst player of our entire roster and by far the most disappointing one... because I knew Jerome was that bad, .

Well said. He was a huge disappointment for me too. I expected MUCH better.
And agreed about his defense. It was ah-ight at best. His offense was atrocious.


His stats were better than those of Jerome James, Malik Rose, David Lee, Jackie Butler, Maurice Taylor and Qyntel Woods. They were very similar to those of Francis and Robinson. He was fourth on the team in rebounding and fifth in steals, while averaging second-fewest turnovers. He played with more heart than most of the team, is tougher than most of the team, and has shown signs of leadership. He never whined or cried about Larry Brown. He did all this during one of the worst years of his career and certainly a tough year personally. And during his last year on the Clips he put up numbers like 17, 6 and 2. Then he got thrown into Phoenix's system (and still did a damn good job with the transition) and then there was last year.

Tim Thiomas can give you about 30 million reasons why getting Thrown into the Phoeanix system isn't a bad thing.

Kind of heard to bitch and whine when your putting 8pts per and shooting 35% from the feild.

He had some good yrs with the Clips before the injury, now he's a shell of himself.

Tim Thomas shows up whenever there is money to be had. I mentioned Phoenix to point out that after he was really coming into his own on the Clips, he needed to change his game. He still put up 15, 6 and 2 that year.

Why so quick to dismiss him after one poor year where the team was in turmoil and everyone on it struggled? Q established beforehand that he can play.
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8/1/2006  4:16 PM
I don't remember anyone ever saying Q was a lockdown defender. There aren't many in the NBA btw. But he still works hard on the D and it pays off for him. If he was healthy last season, things would have been better.
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8/1/2006  4:50 PM
Q is not a lockdown defender. He's an alright defender who works hard and gets generally the most out of his defensive ability. But it's funny how people knock his defense when he was the best perimeter defender on our team. What does that say about the rest of the guys we have?

I have no problem with Q. He had a horrible year but he's not a horrible player. He's a guy that can help you when/if he's healthy. But regardless of his play on the court he had a great attitude all year. If you are the Spurs or Dallas or Miami attitude means nothign. But when you have the worst team in the league it means a lot. We need to come to grips with that.
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8/1/2006  4:54 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by DarkKnicks:

His defense abilities have to be the most overrated in the league. And to think that his average defense can compensate his atrocious shooting and his totally ineffective offensive game is not right to me. I would like to trade him, but hey, I'm not mad if he stays. What I can't understand is that some of you liked what you saw of him last year. Judging him just by his performance, if he was not the worst starting SG in the league he wasn't far at all.
I admit that, even if I had never liked him ver much, two years ago he was a very interesting player. But I think that playing for Phoenix has destroy his game almost definately. To me last year he was almost the worst player of our entire roster and by far the most disappointing one... because I knew Jerome was that bad, .

Well said. He was a huge disappointment for me too. I expected MUCH better.
And agreed about his defense. It was ah-ight at best. His offense was atrocious.


His stats were better than those of Jerome James, Malik Rose, David Lee, Jackie Butler, Maurice Taylor and Qyntel Woods. They were very similar to those of Francis and Robinson. He was fourth on the team in rebounding and fifth in steals, while averaging second-fewest turnovers. He played with more heart than most of the team, is tougher than most of the team, and has shown signs of leadership. He never whined or cried about Larry Brown. He did all this during one of the worst years of his career and certainly a tough year personally. And during his last year on the Clips he put up numbers like 17, 6 and 2. Then he got thrown into Phoenix's system (and still did a damn good job with the transition) and then there was last year.

Tim Thiomas can give you about 30 million reasons why getting Thrown into the Phoeanix system isn't a bad thing.

Kind of heard to bitch and whine when your putting 8pts per and shooting 35% from the feild.

He had some good yrs with the Clips before the injury, now he's a shell of himself.


I agree with that statement. But it should also be tough to bitch and whine and complain when you win 23 games but our guys found a way to do it. So if a guy puts up bad stats he needs to shut up but when a team loses every game regardless of their numbers it's fine to complain. I don't agree with this.
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8/1/2006  5:06 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by DarkKnicks:

His defense abilities have to be the most overrated in the league. And to think that his average defense can compensate his atrocious shooting and his totally ineffective offensive game is not right to me. I would like to trade him, but hey, I'm not mad if he stays. What I can't understand is that some of you liked what you saw of him last year. Judging him just by his performance, if he was not the worst starting SG in the league he wasn't far at all.
I admit that, even if I had never liked him ver much, two years ago he was a very interesting player. But I think that playing for Phoenix has destroy his game almost definately. To me last year he was almost the worst player of our entire roster and by far the most disappointing one... because I knew Jerome was that bad, .

Well said. He was a huge disappointment for me too. I expected MUCH better.
And agreed about his defense. It was ah-ight at best. His offense was atrocious.


His stats were better than those of Jerome James, Malik Rose, David Lee, Jackie Butler, Maurice Taylor and Qyntel Woods. They were very similar to those of Francis and Robinson. He was fourth on the team in rebounding and fifth in steals, while averaging second-fewest turnovers. He played with more heart than most of the team, is tougher than most of the team, and has shown signs of leadership. He never whined or cried about Larry Brown. He did all this during one of the worst years of his career and certainly a tough year personally. And during his last year on the Clips he put up numbers like 17, 6 and 2. Then he got thrown into Phoenix's system (and still did a damn good job with the transition) and then there was last year.

Tim Thiomas can give you about 30 million reasons why getting Thrown into the Phoeanix system isn't a bad thing.

Kind of heard to bitch and whine when your putting 8pts per and shooting 35% from the feild.

He had some good yrs with the Clips before the injury, now he's a shell of himself.


I agree with that statement. But it should also be tough to bitch and whine and complain when you win 23 games but our guys found a way to do it. So if a guy puts up bad stats he needs to shut up but when a team loses every game regardless of their numbers it's fine to complain. I don't agree with this.

Never said it was okay. Reread my post. I was strictly making a point about Qrich, nothing more nothing less.
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