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BRIGGS
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7/31/2006  8:24 AM
Could the Knicks have explored other options using one of their expiring contracts on acquiring Darius Miles? My gut instinct is that they COULD get that done. We would only be committed for 4 years and year 1 we 'd actually save a couple of million if it was Mo Taylor.

Is adding another player without SUBTRACTING another player smart in our position? I'm kind of indifferent on JJ and this contract. I liked JJ out of school, but he has under-perfomed in the NBA. While he will help defensively, doesn't he represent more finesse, on a finese-orientated team? It's not like he is ripping down 9 rebounds or blocking 2 shots--he's 6-4. We are paying him on potential and we also bypassed a superior player in the draft to take Balkman at 20, who would have a similar role and probably could put up 6-4 with some D? I mean Trevor Ariza, given the same playing time as JJ, would probably pan out to helping just as much or possibly more[or even much more] than Jefferies for the cost of 8mm for 3 years. To me, this is just another example of overpaying/cluster fkcing the roster. I don't think this is the way I'd go.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-31-2006 08:26 AM]
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7/31/2006  8:33 AM
I agree. going after jeffries blows. he's not that much better of a defender than richardson, and it ruins our roster. but knowing my luck, the wiz wont match.
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7/31/2006  9:45 AM
OVer paying a role player is very "Laydenesque!"

What happens if DLee really brings it on? Does JJ get more playing time to justify his contract?

A lame duck coach with a lame duck GM all wrapped up in the same person is ignorant.

Isiah is not managing the knicks and its fans. He is doing damage control to his career. Big conflict of interest in my opinion.

Darius, Francis and Marbury all on the same team? We need Kmart and Ruban also to round it out!
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7/31/2006  9:58 AM
Briggs - was it financial "overkill" for the Yankees to sign Abreu?

does 6'11 Jeffries make the Knicks defense better?

just curious
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7/31/2006  10:13 AM
D Miles is type of PERSON we need to get out of the routine of getting.
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7/31/2006  10:17 AM
>> D Miles is type of PERSON we need to get out of the routine of getting.

the "type of person"?

when did the Knicks get D Miles?
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7/31/2006  10:41 AM
Isiah is the worst GM ever.

He probably do a better job with teams with limited $ strength (like Clippers in the past).
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7/31/2006  10:45 AM
Now Dmiles is a good move???? ROFL....... I can stll remember when brown was here all we needed to do was cut Marbury/Francis/Rose/JJ, sign JJ and trade for Ratlift or kmart.

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7/31/2006  10:52 AM
>> Isiah is the worst GM ever.

OAK - outstanding, well conceived and factually solid, post

would YOU sign Jeffries or not?

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7/31/2006  11:01 AM
You will NEVER please new york fans. One week go get Jeffries for is defense the next week Trevor Ariza is better then him??? Come on give it a rest. If I was a pro ball player I would never want to come and play for new york fans.
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7/31/2006  11:06 AM
Posted by misterearl:

>> D Miles is type of PERSON we need to get out of the routine of getting.

the "type of person"?

when did the Knicks get D Miles?

I think he said he was a "man" last year when he got married.

His reputation is not all that good. Yells back at coaches and has underachieved his potential.

Yeah, we don't need that kind of person.

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7/31/2006  11:18 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Briggs - was it financial "overkill" for the Yankees to sign Abreu?

does 6'11 Jeffries make the Knicks defense better?

just curious

The last time I looked, the Yankees were 20 games over .500 and had multiple injuries to core players who play his position. The NY Knicks won 23 games last year.
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7/31/2006  11:22 AM
Posted by purple012870:

D Miles is type of PERSON we need to get out of the routine of getting.


I'm not a complete believer in this type of thought. Yes you need character on the team, but there are spots that make sense to add. Is anyone going to argue that D Miles isnt 10 times better than Jefferies?
We would be SPENDING LESS for a better player on both sides of the ball who is also 24 and getting rid of glut. Sprewell was as low as it got when we traded for him--i don't think this kid is anywhere near Spree--I think he needs a scenery change. The 90s NY Knicks werent the best character guys, and they should've could've won 2-3 championships imho.
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7/31/2006  11:30 AM
Briggs - you aren't spending a dime on payroll and no, Darius Miles is NOT 10 times better than Jeffries in the context of what the Knicks need in the frontcourt

sheesh
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7/31/2006  11:31 AM
Posted by misterearl:

>> Isiah is the worst GM ever.

OAK - outstanding, well conceived and factually solid, post

would YOU sign Jeffries or not?

NO.

I would've kept Butler. He is a good player, and thanks to Isiah's brilliance, we will see him harrass Frye down low. I can see that from miles away.

"I'm committed to this franchise and rebuilding" my arse. He's just committed to improving the W-L record THIS YEAR to save his butt. Since he became the GM, he spends $300 million+ in future salary (was it $500 million?), and he lets go of the cheap young talent in Ariza/Woods/Butler. He signs/trades for JJ, JRose, Francis, Taylor, Rose, etc, etc. He competes against himself and overpays. He drafts Balkman ahead of Williams or Rondo when he could have gotten Balkman with the 30th pick. He finds good cheap talent, nurtures them, and gives them away. How philanthoropic of him... The list goes on and on and on...

Simply put, ISIAH IS THE WORST GM who has played a significant role in making this team THE WORST SPORTING FRANCHISE IN THE HISTORY.

Would I sign Jeffries? No. I'd get rid of Taylor and sign Eric Williams. Start Q at the 3.

This is what Isiah reminds me of...

Socialism:
You have two cows and you give one to your neighbor.

Communism:
You have two cows, the government takes both and gives you some milk.

Capitalism:
You have two cows, you sell one and buy a bull.

Fascism:
You have two cows, the government takes both and shoots you.

ISIAH THOMAS:
You have two cows, Isiah takes both, shoots one, milks the other and throws the milk away.


[Edited by - OAK on 07-31-2006 11:34 AM]
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7/31/2006  11:33 AM
the thing the Knicks need to do is build a team that compliments one another. all we heard is that this team had too many guys who needed the ball to be effective, etc. Jefferies does not need the ball to be effective and fits into the running team this roster is molding into. he plays defense as well. will he mesh with the other guys? that's always impossible to tell until you see it on the court, but this team has plenty of offensive talent, it needs glue guys who make the team concept work. I'm not against this move at all.

but I do think Washington is matching this offer.
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7/31/2006  11:39 AM
OAK - stick to basketball please

the awkward analogies have no relevance

Frye is not restricted to playing "down low"
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7/31/2006  11:42 AM
I would've kept Butler. He is a good player, and thanks to Isiah's brilliance, we will see him harrass Frye down low. I can see that from miles away.

"I'm committed to this franchise and rebuilding" my arse. He's just committed to improving the W-L record THIS YEAR to save his butt. Since he became the GM, he spends $300 million+ in future salary (was it $500 million?), and he lets go of the cheap young talent in Ariza/Woods/Butler. He signs/trades for JJ, JRose, Francis, Taylor, Rose, etc, etc. He competes against himself and overpays. He drafts Balkman ahead of Williams or Rondo when he could have gotten Balkman with the 30th pick. He finds good cheap talent, burtures them, and gives them away. How philanthoropic of him... The list goes on and on and on...

Simply put, ISIAH IS THE WORST GM who has played a significant role in making this team THE WORST SPORTING FRANCHISE IN THE HISTORY.

Would I sign Jeffries? No. I'd get rid of Taylor and sign Eric Williams. Start Q at the 3.

I'm glad you're not running the knicks. Butler was a OK player at best, and oh-yeah if your boss told you to inprove or get fired of-course you would ignore that and make it better for your replacement? What world are you people living in???? Of-Course he is going to try to win now & later.
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7/31/2006  11:43 AM
Posted by misterearl:

the awkward analogies have no relevance

Does anyone find this humorous coming from misterearl?

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7/31/2006  11:47 AM
Isiah: Gets 2 free bulls, gives them away, then buys new ones for twice the amount.

Either Sign Isiah to an extension, or get rid of him.

Jeffries is not woth the money, and certainly not on this cap!
Is this more financial overkill?

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