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7/23/2006  11:34 PM
http://www.undersiegemovie.com/moreinfo.html

check it out... may make you rethink some things the media & our gov't would rather we not think about.
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7/23/2006  11:56 PM
Thanks for the link. After spending countless hours researching the attacks it's quite obvious this is an inside job. Sad to say what this country is turning into. Sadder to say you will be attacked if you don't agree with the government story. In the 50's free thought got you the label of communist, these days watch what you say or you are the "T" word! Regardless of what peoples feelings are, since the Patriot act is taking away most of our rights I recommend all people to do a deeper investigation into 911...
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7/24/2006  12:04 AM
ps - No need to attack if you don't agree

What if I just feel like attacking you?

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7/24/2006  12:58 AM
Somehow, it became hip to doubt everything. Stop trying to 'shake up' the world with your 'novel' notions of conspiracy and deceit. Sometimes a plane is just a plane. But two towers coming down in downtown NY is a tragedy. I see that you have posted a total of 15 times earthman...maybe you should slow down a bit and save post number 16 for something basketball related rather than this anti-establishment propaganda.
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7/24/2006  1:29 AM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Somehow, it became hip to doubt everything. Stop trying to 'shake up' the world with your 'novel' notions of conspiracy and deceit. Sometimes a plane is just a plane. But two towers coming down in downtown NY is a tragedy. I see that you have posted a total of 15 times earthman...maybe you should slow down a bit and save post number 16 for something basketball related rather than this anti-establishment propaganda.

"anti-govt propaganda" or information EwingsGlass?... i posted this link just to give you an alternative viewpoint on a very controversial issue... instead of following along mindlessly to everything you're fed in the media, maybe you should take a few moments of your life & do a little research into all the evidence that's available to you & then make your own decision of what really happened on that tragic day? i don't see why you're getting on earthman's case when i'm the one who posted the link in the first place... does the amount of times he's posted on this board not allow him to have an opinion on something?

[Edited by - TMS on 07-24-2006 01:31 AM]
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7/24/2006  2:23 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Somehow, it became hip to doubt everything. Stop trying to 'shake up' the world with your 'novel' notions of conspiracy and deceit. Sometimes a plane is just a plane. But two towers coming down in downtown NY is a tragedy. I see that you have posted a total of 15 times earthman...maybe you should slow down a bit and save post number 16 for something basketball related rather than this anti-establishment propaganda.

instead of following along mindlessly to everything you're fed in the media, maybe you should take a few moments of your life & do a little research into all the evidence that's available to you & then make your own decision of what really happened on that tragic day? [Edited by - TMS on 07-24-2006 01:31 AM]

I base my opinion on the 9/11 Commission Report, which I have read. When I see a piece of crap, I am not afraid to call it out by name. You think I am picking on Earthman? Compare your statements to his. Yours are arguably open and non-confrontational. "Check it out". Fantastic. Everyone should make their own decisions. I am not picking Earthman out based on the number of posts he has, I am picking him out on the poor quality of the one in front of me. I call it as I see it.

Earthman's statements are basically regurgitated emotional zealotry based in anti-establishmentism. McCarthyism and the excessive scope of the Patriot Act? "The Patriot Act is taking away most of our rights"!!! I have read the Patriot Act and the laws it amends as well. We have far more rights than the Patriot Act seeks to infringe upon. Wiretapping? The Federal Government has had authority to use warrantless wiretaps on organized crime for decades. A super-majority of the provisions simply add the word "terrorist" to existing laws. Which provision do you hate the most? Can you name one or two? Or are you following the media on this one? [Rhetorical].

It is not mindless to agree with the government. It is mindless to assume that everyone should agree with you. All I ask is that you bring your best informed argument. And when I see crap, I am going to call it out for what it is. This theory is crap.

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7/24/2006  6:03 AM
Ooh... another one of these. Thanks for the link, man. I'll definitely check it out, when I get a chance.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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7/24/2006  10:26 AM
I was leaving in Soviet Union and Soviet rulers used to make this type of internal plots to reach their goals all the time. They call it - The principal of less Evil.
Any power is corrupt by nature and required control from the Society. If the establishment is unconditionally trusted - look for disaster.
About Patriot Act - You have no idea.
It's not the Act itself is a problem but how government and secret services are using it.
Do you know for example that when you try to sell you home the Real Estate companies will check the so called Patriot Act database to see if you are not a suspected terrorist? And databases are filled by people... and people made mistakes...
We have enough laws to protest US people. And addition of patriot Act is another propaganda to cover the e..h of the government official who fail to do their job prior to 9/11
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7/24/2006  12:24 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

It is not mindless to agree with the government. It is mindless to assume that everyone should agree with you. All I ask is that you bring your best informed argument. And when I see crap, I am going to call it out for what it is. This theory is crap.

I don't presume to expect anyone to agree with me or not on this issue... only providing an alternative information source that many out there may not realize existed... the world was once believed to be flat, until someone actually challenged the notion & investigated for themselves to prove otherwise... no harm in presenting challenging points of view on a topic as controversial as this... you've obviously done your own research & formulated your own conclusions on the topic, but there are some facts surrounding 9/11 that just don't match up to what the gov't is telling us really happened... i'm just looking for answers to some of those questions.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-24-2006 12:26 PM]
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7/24/2006  9:45 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Somehow, it became hip to doubt everything. Stop trying to 'shake up' the world with your 'novel' notions of conspiracy and deceit. Sometimes a plane is just a plane. But two towers coming down in downtown NY is a tragedy. I see that you have posted a total of 15 times earthman...maybe you should slow down a bit and save post number 16 for something basketball related rather than this anti-establishment propaganda.

instead of following along mindlessly to everything you're fed in the media, maybe you should take a few moments of your life & do a little research into all the evidence that's available to you & then make your own decision of what really happened on that tragic day? [Edited by - TMS on 07-24-2006 01:31 AM]

I base my opinion on the 9/11 Commission Report, which I have read. When I see a piece of crap, I am not afraid to call it out by name. You think I am picking on Earthman? Compare your statements to his. Yours are arguably open and non-confrontational. "Check it out". Fantastic. Everyone should make their own decisions. I am not picking Earthman out based on the number of posts he has, I am picking him out on the poor quality of the one in front of me. I call it as I see it.

Earthman's statements are basically regurgitated emotional zealotry based in anti-establishmentism. McCarthyism and the excessive scope of the Patriot Act? "The Patriot Act is taking away most of our rights"!!! I have read the Patriot Act and the laws it amends as well. We have far more rights than the Patriot Act seeks to infringe upon. Wiretapping? The Federal Government has had authority to use warrantless wiretaps on organized crime for decades. A super-majority of the provisions simply add the word "terrorist" to existing laws. Which provision do you hate the most? Can you name one or two? Or are you following the media on this one? [Rhetorical].

It is not mindless to agree with the government. It is mindless to assume that everyone should agree with you. All I ask is that you bring your best informed argument. And when I see crap, I am going to call it out for what it is. This theory is crap.


I don't think this is said enough online: Thank you.

I agree 100% with your posts on this.
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8/16/2006  3:09 PM
here's explanations on the holes in the 9/11 commission's findings told by scientists in their own words after researching the findings themselves... i find it hard to reason in my own mind how some of the things they are saying can't be accurate... see for yourself (it's quite a long video but definitely worth viewing when u have time):

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/181200/septe...11th_revisited/

the stuff concerning the fact that the reinforced steel used in the WTC construction has a melting point much higher than the highest possible burning temperatures of Jet fuel under optimal conditions pretty much puts the entire argument that the fires caused by the airplanes crashing into the WTC weakened the steel & caused their collapse in my view (nevermind the stuff about the collapse of WTC 7 for that matter, which wasn't even hit by a plane & still went down)... of course, i'm not a scientist so i can only go off the findings of the physicists & engineers who are speaking in this video, but alot of the stuff they're saying does seem to make perfect sense.

scary stuff to say the least... if any of you can find some evidence to the contrary, i definitely would like to see it, cuz it's alarming to think that our own gov't could possibly have had any prior knowledge to, or worse, a hand in, the events that went down on 9/11.

Just a note: I have absolutely no political agendas here, I don't get my jollies being a whistleblower on our government, & I'm not a political activist of any kind. I'm way too busy looking at nekked pics of hot chicks to be bothered with this type of stuff. (just kidding... OK, not really) Anyway, try watching videos like this one & "Loose Change" & make your own decision on what you choose to believe.

btw, anyone see that new WTC movie yet? just curious to know if it was any good.

[Edited by - TMS on 08-16-2006 6:05 PM]
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8/19/2006  8:32 AM
Here's some links that support the findings of the 9/11 commission:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread208594/pg1

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread219010/pg1
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