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Butler Splits for San Antonio, And the Knicks Look Stupid
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fishmike
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7/21/2006  4:15 PM
Butler Splits for San Antonio, And the Knicks Look Stupid
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BY JOHN HOLLINGER
July 21, 2006
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/36501

And now, my friends, I present you with the ultimate irony.

The Knicks, who for years have spent like drunken sailors to acquire even the most marginal prospects, are now in such a dire financial situation that they can't afford to keep a player who is both inexpensive and productive.

Yesterday, news leaked that the Knicks would not match San Antonio's three-year, $7 million offer sheet for center Jackie Butler. Reasoning that it was too much to pay for a third-string center, especially since the cost would double to $14 million after factoring in the luxury tax implications, New York decided to let the 6-foot-10-inch, 260-pounder head for Texas.

The Knicks are giving the outward impression of finally having had a moment of clarity and making a rational, grownup decision about how to spend their money. In reality, this was another enormous personnel blunder that, much like the Eddy Curry trade a year ago, could end up haunting the team for years.

Butler went undrafted and was nominally the Knicks' third-string center last season, which has prevented most observers from understanding just how good he is.When Larry Brown called him the Knicks' best center last season, a lot of people wondered if the coach had finally gone off the deep end. In reality, this may be the only sane thing Brown said or did all season.

Look at the numbers. Last season, the 20-year-old Butler — the Knicks' youngest player — shot 54.4% from the floor and had the team's second-best perminute rebound rate (David Lee was first).His 15.4 points per 40 minutes were well above average for a center, and notable in light of the high percentage he shot. Overall, his Player Efficiency Rating (my per-minute rating of a player's statistical production) of 14.67 was near the league average of 15.0 and ranked 22nd among the 62 centers who played at least 500 minutes last season.

That's not a fluke, either, based on what he did a year before in the CBA. Yes, it was the CBA, but Butler didn't just play well — he dominated.At 19, he was easily the best player in that league, which was why since-departed scout Dell Demps recommended him to the Knicks in the first place. (Incidentally, Demps is now the Spurs' personnel director. For all the Larry-told-his-friend-Gregg-Popovich-to-sign-Butler theories floating around, this connection seems a far more obvious one.)

Butler's current production alone would make him worth much more than the pittance for which San Antonio stole him.In a league where mediocre centers like Sam Dalembert and Nene (and, um, Eddy Curry) are pulling down $60 million deals, Butler would be worth at least a team's midlevel exception — just as other middling centers like Nazr Mohammed and Joel Pryzbilla received in recent days.

The big story, however, isn't what Butler is doing now, it's what he's likely to do in the future. Big men who demonstrate a knack for scoring at a young age almost never fail, and when they do it's usually due to such factors as conditioning or injuries.

To see what I mean, let me introduce you to a tool I've developed that ranks players according to how similar they are.I use a number of criterion — height, age, and several barometers of statistical performance. According to this method, the five most similar players to Jackie Butler at the same age were Shawn Kemp, Eddy Curry, Jermaine O'Neal, Carlos Boozer, and Chris Webber.

Of that group, only Curry has failed to become a star, and he's been held back only by a lack of conditioning and a bad heart. So basically, the worst-case scenario is that Butler would become as good as the Knicks' current center — and cost about a fifth as much.

Yet the Knicks wouldn't agree to pay him $7 million over three years, only slightly more than they'll be paying firstround mystery man Renaldo Balkman. That isn't prudence folks — it's insanity.

Amusingly, the Knicks reportedly were shocked that Butler received such a "big" offer from San Antonio. That proves to me that the Knicks genuinely had no idea what they had in the youngster, because I was surprised he got such a small offer. I figured Butler would get close to the mid-level exception and would be limited to that only because of his restricted free agent status.

Even at that price, the Knicks would have ended up with a rare bargain amid a sea of salary excess. Instead, they'll spend close to $100 million on the contracts of two players — Curry and Jerome James — who will probably be less effective than Butler this year, and almost certainly will be three years from now. Curry at least has ability on his side, but he remains a question mark. James can't play at all, of course, and it's troubling that New York's brass actually had Butler behind him on the team's depth chart.

Butler, meanwhile, is likely to take another step forward in his development as a high quality low-post scorer. Yes, his conditioning is a concern, and he'll probably never make the All-Defense team, but as a 20-year-old he sure looked like the new and improved version of Curry — armed with similar size and skill but a much better motor. His departure leaves one more gaping wound for whomever succeeds Isiah Thomas to heal. When the Knicks announced Isiah would be taking over as coach, I hoped that at the very least, the new responsibilities would distract him from inflicting further ruin upon the franchise as general manager. No such luck.

For San Antonio, it's just one more personnel coup. Yet again, the Spurs have nabbed a good young player for peanuts while other league executives have their fingers up their noses.

It's instructive to note that the Knicks and Spurs operate at opposite ends of the spending spectrum — yet the team that spends less continually outfoxes the guys with the deep pockets. That, in a nutshell, is why the Spurs will again win twice as many games as the Knicks while spending half as much money.
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7/21/2006  4:27 PM
score one for LB.
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7/21/2006  4:45 PM
while I usually consider Hollinger a douche I agree 100% with everything he wrote, and would have applauded Isiah for signing JB regardless of our roster, because it MADE SENSE. I like JB and saw good things from him last year while fat1 and fat2 nursed fat hammys on the bench.

I guess we lost a part of our "young core" eh? All because of Jerome James. Guess we let JB go because we didnt NEED a center. Come to think of it we dont need anything right now with this roster. Except a new GM.
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7/21/2006  4:47 PM
The JB situation is wrought with irony
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7/21/2006  4:50 PM
It just goes with what I keep saying(no this is not a prediction), but it just goes to show that management will let a young player go when their is no pressure, imagine when their is pressure. Not saying anyone else in the under 26th crowd is gone(no predictions), just saying don't think it can't happen.

Just keep praying that this was an unfortunate move out of necessity and will not happen again. Pray that Isiah has changed.
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7/21/2006  4:51 PM
Ok, so Butler is the second coming of Wilt, and Curry is washed up and done with.

I would have liked to keep Butler, but its not worth all of these words. This seems more like an overt attempt to dump on the Knicks. He contradicts him self.
In a league where mediocre centers like Sam Dalembert and Nene (and, um, Eddy Curry) are pulling down $60 million deals, Butler would be worth at least a team's midlevel exception — just as other middling centers like Nazr Mohammed and Joel Pryzbilla received in recent days.
BY any objective standard, EC is not mediocre. The reality is that 16 ppg at 53% fgp is really a small step away from offensive dominance for a center in the league today.
Big men who demonstrate a knack for scoring at a young age almost never fail, and when they do it's usually due to such factors as conditioning or injuries...the five most similar players to Jackie Butler at the same age were Shawn Kemp, Eddy Curry, Jermaine O'Neal, Carlos Boozer, and Chris Webber.

So is Eddy mediocre, a failure or a sure shot Mr. Hollinger?
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7/21/2006  4:57 PM
Why do you guys take any negative press or commentary or words so serious. Who cares about the bashing? Who cares about his opinion on our guys. What matters here is that he pointed out an unfortunate issue that is another step back for us. JJ shouldn't be on our roster and we should have a young, moderately paid back-up that can grow and produce a solid 1-2 bunch with Curry for years to come. What we need to do is not look at this as bashing and get all bent out of shape about it but look at it as criticism about things we have done over the years and force management to change.

Butler was not let go because we were being fiscally responsible. He was let go because we have been so fiscally irresponsible for so long that we had no choice but to let him go. Where do we go from here? Do we pretend that Butler sucked, Jerome is great and pray for the status quo? Or do we realize that no matter what the reasons, who was coach that we won 23 games last year, management once again lets a young guy go essentially in exchange for an overpaid vet(JJ) and hope that this is the last of it.

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7/21/2006  5:00 PM
good post, Killa.
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7/21/2006  5:02 PM
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7/21/2006  5:22 PM
I agree that the Knicks should have matched the offer but this guy sounds like he never saw Butler play.
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7/21/2006  5:26 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I agree that the Knicks should have matched the offer but this guy sounds like he never saw Butler play.

Nothing but lots of stats to praise Butler.

Oh and this
Butler, meanwhile, is likely to take another step forward in his development as a high quality low-post scorer.
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7/21/2006  5:31 PM
Sure Butler has loads of potential, but he hasn't been proven.

What's this about scoring Hollinger talks about? If you only play 13 mpg and take less than 4 shots a game... you better be making half of them. And that's what Butler did. It's easy to have a high FG% when:

1. You don't take a lot of shots.
2. You're a center.
3. You don't create your own shot a lot of the time, meaning a guard just draws a double team and just dumps it off to you in the paint for an easy dunk.

I liked Butler a lot. He's young and showed potential and was a nice reverse scapegoat. In a season where everything was going wrong it was nice to imagine Butler, the guy who got probably the least minutes (the least worthy of blame), to be a hidden gem. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. A move that is going to be "haunting [us] for years"? That's absurd.

Let's wait till the season and then make these kind of claims.
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7/21/2006  5:38 PM
Posted by arkrud:

When somebody dies it's for a while,
When somebody stupid - it's forever

um...pretty sure death is forever.
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7/21/2006  6:16 PM

I just wonder if this guy saw any Knick games...Jackie was a luxury to have on this team..He was the 12th guy off the bench and it was nice having him for nothing...It was great that JB was able to parley his game for the cash that SA offered him....But to think that not signing JB will haunt the Knicks for years to come is just insane....Kudos for JB and his money but the Knicks will miss nothing by not having him on the roster...
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7/21/2006  6:20 PM
Hollinger is an idiot.

If the Knicks had resinged Butler, I Bet he would have wrote an article bashing Isiah for signing a third-string-center for 14 million.

The piling on just doesn't end.


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7/21/2006  6:28 PM
Jerome James is not overpaid
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7/21/2006  6:34 PM
JB is not worth 14 mil. Period. Not 7 mil in salary, then another 7 mil in lux tax. More power to JB and the Spurs, but I'm not spending 14 mil on a third string center. Most of you guys should have seen that.
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7/21/2006  6:36 PM
Posted by holfresh:


I just wonder if this guy saw any Knick games...Jackie was a luxury to have on this team..He was the 12th guy off the bench and it was nice having him for nothing...It was great that JB was able to parley his game for the cash that SA offered him....But to think that not signing JB will haunt the Knicks for years to come is just insane....Kudos for JB and his money but the Knicks will miss nothing by not having him on the roster...



SA is SO much smarter than the Knicks as an organization that its not even close. Now I understand why Elson wasnt matched, they have to many big men. But just what the F are we thinking giving away Jackie Butler for a smallish NBA contract? Its OK to take Mo taylor off the houston Rocket IR for 10mm per but
we cant pay JB 1/5 of that? We couldve bought out Mo taylor and Malik and kept JB with the difference.

Please dont lecture people on what type of mistake SA made or what JB is, you should get a clue from the actions SA takes--they are RARELY wrong.
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Posted by metra:
It's easy to have a high FG% when:

1. You don't take a lot of shots.
2. You're a center.
3. You don't create your own shot a lot of the time, meaning a guard just draws a double team and just dumps it off to you in the paint for an easy dunk.


So, how many other centers in the league score 15+ points per 40 minutes while shooting a comparable %? And what's the average age and salary of those guys?
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7/21/2006  6:46 PM
Sure Butler Curry has loads of potential, but he hasn't been proven.

What's this about scoring Hollinger talks about? If you only play 13 26 mpg and take less than 4 8 shots a game... you better be making half of them. And that's what Butler Curry did. It's easy to have a high FG% when:

1. You don't take a lot of shots.
2. You're a center.
3. You don't create your own shot a lot of the time, meaning a guard just draws a double team and just dumps it off to you in the paint for an easy dunk.


Jackie can actually face up and make shots

[Edited by - Mck1 on 07-21-2006 6:47 PM]
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