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joec32033
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7/20/2006  5:05 AM
Is Martin For Francis Denver's Only Option?
20th July, 2006 - 12:47 am
Newsday - One NBA executive told Greg Logan of Newsday that the Nuggets are "desperate" to unload Kenyon Martin and almost certainly could be forced to take Steve Francis, who has three years worth $48.7 million left on his contract. The nearly $50 million is a relative bargain, as Martin has five years left for $70.9 million.

Martin is coming off microfracture knee surgery and was suspended by the Nuggets during the playoffs for behavioral problems. Denver asked for Channing Frye in the past and likely would again, but there is zero chance of the Knicks dealing Frye in a Martin trade.
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Open letter to Isiah:

Re:Kenyon Martin Trade
Mr. Thomas,

The attached snippet tells me you would be dealing from a position of power in this deal. This is called leverage. If you are going to do this PLEASE get a the very least a first round pick(make it unprotected you know the meaning of this word) coming here with Kenyon(preferably in the 2007 draft). This is needed because you are really helping out Denver and adding to a logjam at the 4 spot. Martin has lost some athleticism to his knees so he is not the high flyer that kicked our ass when you first got here. On behalf of all Knicks fans I am pleading with you to be the screwer and not the screwee in this transaction.

Thank you for your time and cooperation on this matter.

Sincerely(as a representative for Knicks fans everywhere),
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7/20/2006  6:55 AM
You have alittle Jackie on the brain.

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7/20/2006  9:10 AM
The only way we're not the screwee in a trade for KMart is if we send out more big, long term contracts than we get back. If we were able to dump JJ and Q for instance, at least it would have the effect of consolidating two bad contracts into one, thus opening another roster spot.

But a mere draft pick or two wouldn't be enough to justify Francis for KMart IMO... KMart's deal is 2 years longer at max dollars. All for a PF whose game was entirely predicated on a kind of athleticism he no longer has. What can he do now? For a PF he's a lousy rebounder and he can neither post up nor play a really effective face-up game on O.
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7/20/2006  9:49 AM
Posted by tomverve:

The only way we're not the screwee in a trade for KMart is if we send out more big, long term contracts than we get back. If we were able to dump JJ and Q for instance, at least it would have the effect of consolidating two bad contracts into one, thus opening another roster spot.

But a mere draft pick or two wouldn't be enough to justify Francis for KMart IMO... KMart's deal is 2 years longer at max dollars. All for a PF whose game was entirely predicated on a kind of athleticism he no longer has. What can he do now? For a PF he's a lousy rebounder and he can neither post up nor play a really effective face-up game on O.

JJ and Q i Cosign that.... in fact.. JJ and Steve i would do also... u make a good point.. this might be our one and only chacne to dump the big snack
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7/20/2006  9:51 AM
JJ & Q straight up for KMart i'd do in a second... the extra year on KMart's contract would be a sacrifice i'd be willing to pay for the extra roster spot & unloading Big Turd to greener pastures.

then you re-sign Qyntel Woods, who would actually have a role on this team in that instance.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-20-2006 09:52 AM]
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7/20/2006  10:04 AM
Dealing JJ would make Isiah look like a fool once again for not retaining Butler.
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7/20/2006  10:06 AM
I like qrich...JJ and Francis for kmart and a pick is the best deal going.
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7/20/2006  10:09 AM
what about Kenyon martin and reuben patterson for Franchise and Jerome James.
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7/20/2006  10:15 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

I like qrich...JJ and Francis for kmart and a pick is the best deal going.


maybe in the Bizarro world, cuz that deal doesn't benefit DEN in the slightest... besides being impossible because of the cap figures not matching up
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7/20/2006  10:18 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

what about Kenyon martin and reuben patterson for Franchise and Jerome James.


that doesn't benefit DEN either... why would they take on more longterm salary to replace 2 headcases w/another headcase like Francis & a waste of human sperm like Big Turd?

Francis & Mo T for KMart & Patterson has a much better chance based on needs standpoint, but the cap figures don't quite match up

[Edited by - TMS on 07-20-2006 10:18 AM]
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7/20/2006  10:19 AM
hey, it's that or nothing. I see no reason to take on kmart...if we back into camb somehow, that's an entirely different issue.

but there is no need for kmart on our team...franchise is much more moveable and QRich plays defense...why the UKHC wants to trade one of the few defensive brightspots last year and someone that can hit an open jumper (before LB) is beyond me.

It's like you just propose trades because it's possible, not because it's practical.

They take our garbage for their garbage.

Why give them anybody that can help us this year for a player that may be H202?
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7/20/2006  10:21 AM
It's like you just propose trades because it's possible, not because it's practical.

actually, i try & take into account what the other team might actually want when i consider trade scenarios, unlike alot of people on this forum who really put little thought into things like this & present extremely 1 sided proposals that have zero chance of ever happening.
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7/20/2006  10:22 AM
to ditch Francis, I would risk that Kmart could get healthy. it's fiscal insanity though.
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7/20/2006  10:25 AM
no way Jerome James is getting traded now people...he is our only backup at Center, unless we are getting another backup in return. As far as Stevie for Kmart...i would NOT do this b/c i dont want to extend the salary for those extra two years on a player we cant count on to play the whole season. I would maybe do it if we could get some first round draft picks in return.
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7/20/2006  10:25 AM
yes, to ditch francis, but for us to give up QRich is not a good trade for us.

So, yeah, you are right TMS, you actually look at what the other team might want, but don't give a rat's ass what the knicks need.

You trade like you are the other teams GM all the time.

So, while they make sense, the question is for who?
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7/20/2006  10:28 AM
listening to isiah during summer league, he always talks about the logjam in the back court and never includes Qrich in that log jam.

He mentions qrich and jrose as our SF's.

Why trade one of our SF's, ignoring the log jam in the back court (francis) for a powerforward coming off allan houston surgery?

Qrich a) does not have a horrible contract and b) is young and has a future in the league.

if you are thinking risk for risk, I'd rather take a risk on a gimpy sf with balkman and jrose on the roster than a gimpy PF with a much worst contract and stunt the growth of both frye and lee.
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7/20/2006  10:48 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

yes, to ditch francis, but for us to give up QRich is not a good trade for us.

So, yeah, you are right TMS, you actually look at what the other team might want, but don't give a rat's ass what the knicks need.

You trade like you are the other teams GM all the time.

So, while they make sense, the question is for who?


what the hell are you talking about? we have a logjam at the 2 right now w/Francis, Craw, Q Rich, Jalen & Collins... could Q Rich play some SF? sure... but he's got a horrible contract of his own... the idea was to unload 2 bad contracts for 1, which serves the Knicks by doing 2 things: opening up a roster spot to give Collins a role on this team & adding depth to the frontcourt w/an intense player who brings alot of energy that we are currently lacking... are u angry that i called your boy Big Turd a "waste of human sperm" or something? I don't get your reasoning... the deals i propose are always looking to add something to this team that we need, otherwise i wouldn't bother proposing them... deals like your idea of JJ & Francis for KMart & a pick has absolutely zero shot of happening because all it does is add more longterm salary to DEN's books & they lose out on a draft pick... does that make any sense to you? think about it.
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7/20/2006  10:52 AM
just because you say qrich is a sg means nothing.

q is a 3 (for both knicks and suns)

so, once again, you are proposing the wrong trade.
Posted by rvhoss:

listening to isiah during summer league, he always talks about the logjam in the back court and never includes Qrich in that log jam.

He mentions qrich and jrose as our SF's.

Why trade one of our SF's, ignoring the log jam in the back court (francis) for a powerforward coming off allan houston surgery?

Qrich a) does not have a horrible contract and b) is young and has a future in the league.

if you are thinking risk for risk, I'd rather take a risk on a gimpy sf with balkman and jrose on the roster than a gimpy PF with a much worst contract and stunt the growth of both frye and lee.



[Edited by - rvhoss on 07-20-2006 10:55 AM]
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7/20/2006  11:00 AM
lol... did u stick your tongue out while you were posting that last one dude?
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7/20/2006  11:03 AM
nope
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