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7/12/2006  10:47 AM
Do you think Isiah can get these two players to work together and be successful in the backcourt?
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7/12/2006  10:53 AM
You really thought that was a successful backcourt? I just saw 2 ballhogs who didn't play any defense whatsoever.
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7/12/2006  10:54 AM
How exactly did Francis and Mobley work out? They went to the playoffs once in 2004. I don't think Marbury and Francis will work becuase both need the ball to be successful and neither one of them play defense. The opposition is going to be torching our backcourt on a nightly basis offensively.
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7/12/2006  10:54 AM
personally i don't think it'll work because when Francis was at his best, he was dominating the ball in HOU w/Mobley playing off him shooting from the perimeter... Marbury will be dominating the ball in Isiah's offense & his game is all about penetration, which is what Francis needs to do to excell... & Francis' perimeter shot is subpar so i don't see him playing that 2 role well.
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7/12/2006  10:55 AM
do you quantify Francis and Mobley together as being successful? Did they ever get to the playoffs and win anything substantial?
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7/12/2006  10:56 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

You really thought that was a successful backcourt? I just saw 2 ballhogs who didn't play any defense whatsoever.

Mobley plays d as well as Francis. I think you are getting our backcourt Marbury and _________ confused with the team of Francis and Mobley . Both were players that came to play everynight and use to dive for loose balls on the court and rebound their butts off ! In other words hustle plays.









[Edited by - BigC on 07-12-2006 11:05 AM]
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7/12/2006  10:56 AM
contrary to popular belief, Marbury was playing some pretty solid defense last season before he got injured. I'm sure Marbury will look fantastic for Isiah.

the big question is, if we're keeping Francis (and it looks like we are), will he give full effort and buy into the system here? he never bought into Brown's system. Steve Francis playing hard is something we never saw last year, but when he is playing hard he is one of the better perimeter players in the league.

I think they can be successful, but a lot of it will depend on whether Francis decides to buy into Isiah and Marbury's system. In many ways, he's in the same situation - everyone know's he's talented, but thinks he's a total cancer. If he's interested in changing that and leaving any kind of positive feeling about his career it could be a great backcourt.
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7/12/2006  10:59 AM
Posted by Caseloads:

do you quantify Francis and Mobley together as being successful? Did they ever get to the playoffs and win anything substantial?

Successful in the fact that they got along. Successful in the fact that they made it to the playoffs in the West compared to the East. The East has been a joke for years. Do you really think that if you put that Houston team that was in the West in the East they would not had made the playoffs numerous times?



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[Edited by - BigC on 07-12-2006 11:38 AM]
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7/12/2006  11:08 AM
Originally posted by crzymdups:

contrary to popular belief, Marbury was playing some pretty solid defense last season before he got injured.

I guess I missed that when I was watching the "other" Knicks.

[sarcasm]Francis and Marbury is a pretty defensive-minded backcourt, though.[/sarcasm]
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7/12/2006  11:11 AM
Posted by Caseloads:

do you quantify Francis and Mobley together as being successful? Did they ever get to the playoffs and win anything substantial?

"successful" in terms of being an effective scoring backcourt that averaged about 43 ppg during their best year is what i was referring to... if getting deep into the playoffs is the measuring stick you want to use, i suppose you could call our backcourt of Charlie Ward & Chris Childs as being "successful" from that standpoint.
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7/12/2006  11:14 AM
Posted by Solace:
Originally posted by crzymdups:

contrary to popular belief, Marbury was playing some pretty solid defense last season before he got injured.

I guess I missed that when I was watching the "other" Knicks.

[sarcasm]Francis and Marbury is a pretty defensive-minded backcourt, though.[/sarcasm]

sorry you missed it. It was pretty impressive. Marbury actually got injured fighting over a pick, something he rarely did before last season.
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7/12/2006  11:18 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Solace:
Originally posted by crzymdups:

contrary to popular belief, Marbury was playing some pretty solid defense last season before he got injured.

I guess I missed that when I was watching the "other" Knicks.

[sarcasm]Francis and Marbury is a pretty defensive-minded backcourt, though.[/sarcasm]

sorry you missed it. It was pretty impressive. Marbury actually got injured fighting over a pick, something he rarely did before last season.

Here's the feeling I came away with about Marb's D last year: He showed spurts of D and has the quickness to try to stay in front of his man but the effort was only there about 20% of the time (at best).
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7/12/2006  11:20 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Solace:
Originally posted by crzymdups:

contrary to popular belief, Marbury was playing some pretty solid defense last season before he got injured.

I guess I missed that when I was watching the "other" Knicks.

[sarcasm]Francis and Marbury is a pretty defensive-minded backcourt, though.[/sarcasm]

sorry you missed it. It was pretty impressive. Marbury actually got injured fighting over a pick, something he rarely did before last season.

So that tells you he was playing defense EVERY GAME becuase he got injured fighting over a pick?
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7/12/2006  11:22 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Caseloads:

do you quantify Francis and Mobley together as being successful? Did they ever get to the playoffs and win anything substantial?

"successful" in terms of being an effective scoring backcourt that averaged about 43 ppg during their best year is what i was referring to... if getting deep into the playoffs is the measuring stick you want to use, i suppose you could call our backcourt of Charlie Ward & Chris Childs as being "successful" from that standpoint.
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7/12/2006  11:22 AM
all i know is that on more than 1 occasion, some marginal NBA talent like Tyronn Lue, Milt Palacio & Marcus Banks that Marbury guarded last year looked like Allstars all too regularly... i don't blame that completely on Marbury cuz the team defense rotations were horrible as well, but he certainly played a big role in the porous D they played last season.

what i did notice out of Marbury was that he was getting his hands on balls when he swiped as guys were going up for layups off penetration on a regular basis (much like Oakley used to do w/regularity after he'd been beaten off the dribble)... that resulted in some steals & fastbreaks for the Knicks, but i'd much rather he didn't allow guys to get past him w/such regularity & get caught on backdoor cuts & screens instead... if he can show me improvement on that end, i'd be shocked.
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7/12/2006  11:22 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Solace:
Originally posted by crzymdups:

contrary to popular belief, Marbury was playing some pretty solid defense last season before he got injured.

I guess I missed that when I was watching the "other" Knicks.

[sarcasm]Francis and Marbury is a pretty defensive-minded backcourt, though.[/sarcasm]

sorry you missed it. It was pretty impressive. Marbury actually got injured fighting over a pick, something he rarely did before last season.

So that tells you he was playing defense EVERY GAME becuase he got injured fighting over a pick?

no, I was watching and I was impressed by his effort on a consistent basis, aside from the odd game when he and Brown were obviously butting heads. I think that effort should be there on a consistent effort for Zeke all season - he's looking to make Zeke look good.

I'm far more worried about Francis.
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7/12/2006  11:23 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Solace:
Originally posted by crzymdups:

contrary to popular belief, Marbury was playing some pretty solid defense last season before he got injured.

I guess I missed that when I was watching the "other" Knicks.

[sarcasm]Francis and Marbury is a pretty defensive-minded backcourt, though.[/sarcasm]

sorry you missed it. It was pretty impressive. Marbury actually got injured fighting over a pick, something he rarely did before last season.

Here's the feeling I came away with about Marb's D last year: He showed spurts of D and has the quickness to try to stay in front of his man but the effort was only there about 20% of the time (at best).

As much as I try to remember Marbury playiny d, all that I keep on remembering was when Marbury was trying to guard Gilbert Arenas. Arenas looked like he was going to drop 60 by halftime.

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7/12/2006  11:23 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Solace:
Originally posted by crzymdups:

contrary to popular belief, Marbury was playing some pretty solid defense last season before he got injured.

I guess I missed that when I was watching the "other" Knicks.

[sarcasm]Francis and Marbury is a pretty defensive-minded backcourt, though.[/sarcasm]

sorry you missed it. It was pretty impressive. Marbury actually got injured fighting over a pick, something he rarely did before last season.

Here's the feeling I came away with about Marb's D last year: He showed spurts of D and has the quickness to try to stay in front of his man but the effort was only there about 20% of the time (at best).

I think he gave more effort than you are giving him credit for. I remember numerous occasions where he was forced to guard many 2 guards. I he gave great effort when guarding the 2's. In fact he gave Ray Allen all he could handle in Seattle, when Ray struggled in the second half and Jamal exploded for 30 in the second half.

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7/12/2006  11:24 AM
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As much as I try to remember Marbury playiny d, all that I keep on remembering was when Marbury was trying to guard Gilbert Arenas. Arenas looked like he was going to drop 60 by halftime.

That was after he was injured. He was never the same after he was injured. Also, by that point, Brown had lost the entire team and I think most of them had quit (whether that reflects on Brown or the team is up to you).

How about this game?
http://www.nba.com/games/20060106/WASNYK/boxscore.html
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7/12/2006  11:27 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
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As much as I try to remember Marbury playiny d, all that I keep on remembering was when Marbury was trying to guard Gilbert Arenas. Arenas looked like he was going to drop 60 by halftime.

That was after he was injured. He was never the same after he was injured. Also, by that point, Brown had lost the entire team and I think most of them had quit (whether that reflects on Brown or the team is up to you).

How about this game?
http://www.nba.com/games/20060106/WASNYK/boxscore.html

I remember that game like yesterday. Marbury was getting killed before his injury! He did not return to the game after halftime and many people felt that Marbury did not return because Arenas was busting his azz and the Knicks were getting blown out.



[Edited by - BigC on 07-12-2006 11:39 AM]
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