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7/5/2006  5:58 PM
ESPN.com - The Chicago Bulls and New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets have verbally agreed to a deal that will send Tyson Chandler to the Hornets for P.J. Brown and J.R. Smith.

The deal will officially go through July 12, which is the first day NBA teams can officially complete signings and trades after the league announces the salary cap for the 2006-07 season.

After signing Ben Wallace, the Bulls had an excuse to unload Chandler's lengthy, expensive contract to the highest bidder.
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7/5/2006  7:14 PM
chicago is armed with an expiring and a slew of young kids to make a major play at the deadline.

in the year of the oden draft, many a team will go into tank mode. and better players will be available. and chicago will look for their "sheed".

dj's unofficial official prediction: zach randolph will be a bull in february
dj's 2nd unofficial official prediction: jermaine o'neal will be a celtic
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7/5/2006  7:17 PM
Chicago's made a lot of smart moves. That leads me to think they'll stay a mile away from Zach. Maybe JO will be a Bull actually. I could see them going for a veteran backcourt player though.
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7/5/2006  7:23 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Chicago's made a lot of smart moves. That leads me to think they'll stay a mile away from Zach. Maybe JO will be a Bull actually. I could see them going for a veteran backcourt player though.

zach is a bonehead and i want him 1000000 miles away from us. but it plays out like sheed to the pistons. sheed was a knucklehead too but detroit already had such a solid foundation in place that they could absorb a guy like zach. the contract is killer tho.
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Chicago's made a lot of smart moves. That leads me to think they'll stay a mile away from Zach. Maybe JO will be a Bull actually. I could see them going for a veteran backcourt player though.

zach is a bonehead and i want him 1000000 miles away from us. but it plays out like sheed to the pistons. sheed was a knucklehead too but detroit already had such a solid foundation in place that they could absorb a guy like zach. the contract is killer tho.
The biggest difference to me is their defense and attitude on offense. Sheed plays hard on defense and doesn't hog the ball on offense. Zach always looks for himself first and only passes out of the post as a last resort. I think one reason his FG% is always low is that he prefers to force bad shots when double-teamed instead of passing.

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7/5/2006  8:53 PM
I do not understand this trade. I would have thought Chandler would yield a better return. PJ has nothing left & JR will sit behind Gordon & probably pout as a result. His physical attributes on the site are well documented. That doesn't make him a player.

For NO, they now have David West, Hilton Armstrong, Cedric Simmons & Chandler. Of those, only West can hit a shot beyond a dunk. Strange.
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7/5/2006  8:59 PM
Posted by purple012870:

I do not understand this trade. I would have thought Chandler would yield a better return. PJ has nothing left & JR will sit behind Gordon & probably pout as a result. His physical attributes on the site are well documented. That doesn't make him a player.

For NO, they now have David West, Hilton Armstrong, Cedric Simmons & Chandler. Of those, only West can hit a shot beyond a dunk. Strange.

mostly it's a salary dump of Chandler. They made a mistake and are correcting it.

PJ is a tough vet who plays D (although admittedly I have not seen him play since his Miami days). Could be a good role model with Big Ben for Tyrus. Also, PJ only has 1 year on his deal.

JR is a big guard with potential. Low salary so nothing lost, and if he ever turns out well, BONUS!

And come next year this time, Chicago is again under the cap and can pull off another Big Ben-like signing for a post player and will likely have a pick around 15 that they can use. Nice outlook.
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Posted by purple012870:

I do not understand this trade. I would have thought Chandler would yield a better return. PJ has nothing left & JR will sit behind Gordon & probably pout as a result. His physical attributes on the site are well documented. That doesn't make him a player.

For NO, they now have David West, Hilton Armstrong, Cedric Simmons & Chandler. Of those, only West can hit a shot beyond a dunk. Strange.

It's about clearing Chandler's God awful contract off the books for 2 guys who will be off the books next season. For some GM's, having the flexibility that comes with a manageable salary cap is a good thing. Especially with a lot of good assets (as opposed to overpaid and underachieving ones) that can help them acquire the missing pieces to become a contender.

And whatever veteran leadership PJ Brown can offer is just a plus.
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7/5/2006  9:24 PM
What a good trade. I don't like JR Smith but Brown can still play defense and rebound. Chandler was a joke with terrible contract. Paxson for GM of the year.
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7/5/2006  9:49 PM
I don't know. Acquiring good players for Chandler (i.e. Troy Murphy) far outweighs what they might be able to do next summer. Big Ben was a signing that reminds me of the Mets signing of Peedro Martinez...a 4 year deal to an aging star where you figure he's far more "worth it" in the early part of the contract. To me, this trade makes them worse for the upcoming season.
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7/5/2006  9:58 PM
a package of jr smith, deng, and our #1 next season could yield a pretty darn good player.
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7/5/2006  10:07 PM
So could Chandler, Deng & that # 1 (yield a lot). That package is a hell of a lot better starting point for Garnett than Smith, Deng & the # 1.

Hey, we can speculate on what other deals the Bulls can make, but they just traded an active 7 footer with more potential than Nene for example (75% of the league was after him this week) for a prospect that gives little indication that he'll be better than a DeShawn Stephenson or Tony Allen type & a 97 year old power forward.
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7/5/2006  10:10 PM
Posted by purple012870:

So could Chandler, Deng & that # 1 (yield a lot). That package is a hell of a lot better starting point for Garnett than Smith, Deng & the # 1.

Hey, we can speculate on what other deals the Bulls can make, but they just traded an active 7 footer with more potential than Nene for example (75% of the league was after him this week) for a prospect that gives little indication that he'll be better than a DeShawn Stephenson or Tony Allen type & a 97 year old power forward.

chandler's contract hurts his value. that's where pj's expiring comes in handy.

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7/5/2006  10:14 PM
Posted by purple012870:

So could Chandler, Deng & that # 1 (yield a lot). That package is a hell of a lot better starting point for Garnett than Smith, Deng & the # 1.

Hey, we can speculate on what other deals the Bulls can make, but they just traded an active 7 footer with more potential than Nene for example (75% of the league was after him this week) for a prospect that gives little indication that he'll be better than a DeShawn Stephenson or Tony Allen type & a 97 year old power forward.

thing is Big Ben and Chandler play the same position and I think they were weary of the luxury tax implications long term. They gotta sign Hinrich and Nocioni next year.
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7/5/2006  10:18 PM
Posted by purple012870:

So could Chandler, Deng & that # 1 (yield a lot). That package is a hell of a lot better starting point for Garnett than Smith, Deng & the # 1.

No it's not. Why would you want an underachieving and longterm overpaid player like that? Don't you think the Wolves would rather be under the cap?
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7/5/2006  10:19 PM
No doubt...but at some point, guys play not contracts.

Sometimes that is overrated. He's making 10mm a year for 5 years. That's slightly more than Malik Rose. Slightly more than Jamal Crawford. okay, I'm picking on our pathetic Knicks, but you get the point. I think 10mm a year for an active 23 year old center is not that difficult to swallow in today's NBA environment.

The Bulls got some $$$ relief but worsened their squad. Had they acquired Murphy for Chandler, they get a legit 4 to put next to Ben. Now, they have to play Ty Thomas big minutes & its likely he's not ready. They may not get 15 total points from their starting 4/5. That's a lot of pressure to put on Gordon & Henrich.
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