I always liked Frankie. I hope Mardy Collins plays as well as Frank did his first year for the Knicks (and obviously has more success, thereafter).

Same with JJ

What was your point?

supposedly phx offered hunter 2 years 2.4 million

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bonn1997:

What was your point?

No need to trash the thread. This thread was about Frank Williams. It's pretty cool that he might make a comeback, no? For a while we thought he would be a mainstay in this organization, for years.

I was actually asking Fish a serious question. He seems to have a different standard for out of shape players he likes (Sweetney, Frank) than ones he doesn't like.

It's pretty cool that he might make a comeback, no?

It's cool if he DOES make a comeback, not that he MIGHT make one.

For a while we thought he would be a mainstay in this organization, for years.

That only makes me more disappointed in him. I'm rooting for him, but right now he's no different to me than Jerome James and Eddy Curry (both of whom I'm also rooting for), Tractor Traylor, Clearance Weatherspoon, etc.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bonn1997:

What was your point?

No need to trash the thread. This thread was about Frank Williams. It's pretty cool that he might make a comeback, no? For a while we thought he would be a mainstay in this organization, for years.

I was actually asking Fish a serious question. He seems to have a different standard for out of shape players he likes (Sweetney, Frank) than ones he doesn't like.

It's pretty cool that he might make a comeback, no?

It's cool if he DOES make a comeback, not that he MIGHT make one.

For a while we thought he would be a mainstay in this organization, for years.

That only makes me more disappointed in him. I'm rooting for him, but right now he's no different to me than Jerome James and Eddy Curry (both of whom I'm also rooting for), Tractor Traylor, Clearance Weatherspoon, etc.

I think of it this way. You name JJ, Curry, Weatherspoon, etc... those guys all set back this organization (actually Spoon didn't so much) with their big contracts and lack of effort. Frank gave it his all while he was here, and wasn't a financial burden. He was rewarded with good play by being relegated to an 8th man and then traded to a team who had no room for him. Tough break, for the kid. I think he still has a shot to be a solid roleplayer. Furthermore, when he was here I was rooting for him heavily and wanted him to succeed. I don't feel the same about Big Snacks. I did like Spoon, but he wasn't put in the best situation. Eddy Curry I was rooting for, but again, another lazy player.

Posted by Bonn1997:

That's what I suspected. I always separate the player from the contract. I'm sure if Frank had been given $30 mil to be lazy, he would have taken it. The contract is the GM's and owner's fault, not the player's. It's not JJ's fault his contract is hurting the team. It's his fault he's out of shape but it's equally Frank's fault that he's been out of shape.

Wow. The only rebuttal I have is that I liked Frank when he was in shape and playing well for us. Then circumstance put him in a difficult spot AND THEN he got out of shape. As for the rest of it, I reiterate... wow.

Nothing. Just your type of reasoning reminds me a bit of my ex-girlfriend. She also was a psychology major.

Not knocking you, just wondering if it's a psych major thing.

Posted by Marv:

Posted by Solace:

Nothing. Just your type of reasoning reminds me a bit of my ex-girlfriend. She also was a psychology major.

Not knocking you, just wondering if it's a psych major thing.

bonn, be very careful with your answer.

LOL! I'm speaking for both of us about psychology! Speaking just for myself: Solace's emotionality sounds a lot like my ex gf when she was on the rag. I could say the most innocuous thing ("I don't judge a guy based on his salary" to Solace or to her ("I'm gonna get a glass of water") and it would lead to an emotional outburst! He's not usually like this, though!

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-04-2006 3:54 PM]