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10/26/2002  6:26 PM
According to the New York Post and Hoopsworld, the Knicks are considering a deal with Portland which involves trading Sprewell and luggage for a combo of two or even three players which include Ruben Patterson, Dale Davis, Damon Stoudamire, and Derek Anderson. Which is the best deal? I like getting Patterson and Davis because we get size and solid defense, plus a legit center and bigger SF. This probably wouldn't be a big improvement now, but Houston would probably have a breakout year plus we would be left in the running for LeBron James and have a sick team next year. We could also hope for Stoudamire for Ward, Knight, and the exception or a second round pick in the deal. Next year's line-up would be
C Davis/Thomas, Doleac
PF McDyess, Weatherspoon, Harrington
SF James, Patterson
SG Houston, Anderson
PG Stoudamire, Williams
That would be an awsome team for now and the future. Thoughts?
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10/26/2002  6:47 PM
Yet another person talking this Lebron garbage.
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10/26/2002  7:49 PM
mailing off spree and getting DDavis + patterson creates enough talent on this team to take us out of the james sweeps bro...
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10/26/2002  7:51 PM
Only way the Knicks land James is if they tank the season from day one. That's not gonna happen so getting him is a pipe dream
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10/26/2002  8:35 PM
Posted by nyvector16:

Only way the Knicks land James is if they tank the season from day one. That's not gonna happen so getting him is a pipe dream

you mean that least year can't happen again? With the SAME EXACT ROSTER? Only the Knicks didn't start dumping games until about game 20, after Van Gundy left. With no trades, this team is a sure-fire lottery team.


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10/26/2002  8:36 PM
Posted by Knixkik:

According to the New York Post and Hoopsworld, the Knicks are considering a deal with Portland which involves trading Sprewell and luggage for a combo of two or even three players which include Ruben Patterson, Dale Davis, Damon Stoudamire, and Derek Anderson. Which is the best deal? I like getting Patterson and Davis because we get size and solid defense, plus a legit center and bigger SF. This probably wouldn't be a big improvement now, but Houston would probably have a breakout year plus we would be left in the running for LeBron James and have a sick team next year. We could also hope for Stoudamire for Ward, Knight, and the exception or a second round pick in the deal. Next year's line-up would be
C Davis/Thomas, Doleac
PF McDyess, Weatherspoon, Harrington
SF James, Patterson
SG Houston, Anderson
PG Stoudamire, Williams
That would be an awsome team for now and the future. Thoughts?

I don't know exactly how old Dale Davis is, but any trade with him involving Spree would be a plus for the Knicks.
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10/26/2002  8:58 PM
I'm not even sure if Portland would trade DD to NY. I can't see Sabonis playing major minutes at the 5.
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10/26/2002  10:37 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Knixkik:

According to the New York Post and Hoopsworld, the Knicks are considering a deal with Portland which involves trading Sprewell and luggage for a combo of two or even three players which include Ruben Patterson, Dale Davis, Damon Stoudamire, and Derek Anderson. Which is the best deal? I like getting Patterson and Davis because we get size and solid defense, plus a legit center and bigger SF. This probably wouldn't be a big improvement now, but Houston would probably have a breakout year plus we would be left in the running for LeBron James and have a sick team next year. We could also hope for Stoudamire for Ward, Knight, and the exception or a second round pick in the deal. Next year's line-up would be
C Davis/Thomas, Doleac
PF McDyess, Weatherspoon, Harrington
SF James, Patterson
SG Houston, Anderson
PG Stoudamire, Williams
That would be an awsome team for now and the future. Thoughts?

I don't know exactly how old Dale Davis is, but any trade with him involving Spree would be a plus for the Knicks.
Dale no offense davis? well we'd have him at the 5, kt at the 4, and spoon/anderson/patterson at the 3, houston at the 2, and ward/frankie W at the pg, that's not a bad lineup, especially out east...
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10/27/2002  12:45 PM
the Knicks might be the third worst team in the league--After Denver and MAYBe Cleveland[and that is a maybe until wagner comes back] the Knicks are the worst team. The problem is those teams arent necessarily trying to win--especially denver--we have the highest payroll and are trying to win-- but we are just to old slow we lack talent are to small in the pivot--coaching ballhandling defense all ?????? this is a BAD team if you want to add in the payroll and the luxury tax--this team will end up being the worst team in the history of sports per dollar spent we could have a payroll of 95mm add 45mm in luxury taxes and win 24 games--that would mean each win cost us 6.7mm to acheive. On the other hand lets look at the Clippers whose payroll is 36 mm if they win 45 each game they won cost them 800,000 grand-not including playoff game revenues or luxury tax refund. You are talking about a 300-400% operating disparity. Ouch in any business.
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10/27/2002  2:19 PM
Posted by falcindor:

Yet another person talking this Lebron garbage.
The way i see it, it's not likely we will get this player, but it is likely we will get a legit lottery pick. Using James as an example is a way to show how talented our team could look, considering everything goes as planned. Honestly i don't think we are bad enough to get James. Do we trade Sprewell for more depth like Patterson and Davis or do we try to trade him for a legit all-star or Sprewell-caliber player, like Sczcberbiak or Rose? I would rather get another good player so we can re-establish our "big 3" next year which will involve McDyess, Houston, and that third player. But we could be better off with a lot of depth and quality starters and role players like Thomas, Patterson, Davis, Williams, and a mid-range lottery pick to go with our two top players McDyess and Houston who can hopefully both be all-stars. I think Houston will flourish when he gets the shots left when Sprewell gets traded.
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10/27/2002  3:27 PM
I guess some people dont remember Dale Davis when he was on the Pacers...the West has eatin him up a little but he is pretty solid by eastern standards. I wouldnt mind seeing him on this team.
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10/27/2002  6:13 PM
Davis also has only one year left on his contract, so it'd be a salary dump too.
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10/27/2002  8:33 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

Davis also has only one year left on his contract, so it'd be a salary dump too.
That is true but i think dumping salary, especially for the Knicks, is way overrated. This is New York and we've got all the money we could ever need. We're never going to get under the cap, especially with it constantly increasing. Dumping players for cap space means rebuilding, something New York will never do. If Dale Davis came to New York and his contract expired, he would either be resigned or traded for a player of equal value and contract size. Unless we're going to get good, young depth or a young but proven star, Sprewell should stay with the Knicks. They'll all get over this and we can take this year like we took last year; Our star big man is done so the purpose is to play as well as you can, win 30 games and draft a decent player who can make a solid impact. Even if it's not James, which we're not bad enough for anyways, Carmelo Anthony, Kirk Hinrich, Luke Ridnour, Chris Duhon, or Jarvis Hayes would help. Now you're coming back nearly the same team except with hopefully a healthy superstar, a rookie stud, and maybe some added depth through free agency. When you put it this way it's very easy to become a good team again.
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10/27/2002  10:02 PM
Put the above together with some solid growth from Frank Williams and we will have a pretty solid roster next season...maybe some good moves from layden are in the future... who knows, I have a little respect for the guy, I want to see where his vision will take us - nobody is beating LA or SAC anytime soon, so we have some time to build something.
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10/28/2002  9:35 AM
I agree. The Knicks are without a doubt the worst team per dollar spent. But I'm guessing, this year, Miami, GState, Memphis will have worse records, along with Denver and Cleveland. Chicago, if their talent gels, should make the most dramatic turnaround from last year.

NY and Miami will compete for bottom of the Atlantic.
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the Knicks might be the third worst team in the league--After Denver and MAYBe Cleveland[and that is a maybe until wagner comes back] the Knicks are the worst team. The problem is those teams arent necessarily trying to win--especially denver--we have the highest payroll and are trying to win-- but we are just to old slow we lack talent are to small in the pivot--coaching ballhandling defense all ?????? this is a BAD team if you want to add in the payroll and the luxury tax--this team will end up being the worst team in the history of sports per dollar spent we could have a payroll of 95mm add 45mm in luxury taxes and win 24 games--that would mean each win cost us 6.7mm to acheive. On the other hand lets look at the Clippers whose payroll is 36 mm if they win 45 each game they won cost them 800,000 grand-not including playoff game revenues or luxury tax refund. You are talking about a 300-400% operating disparity. Ouch in any business.
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10/28/2002  12:11 PM
Clearly the Grizzlies and warriors are better than the Knicks NOW. There is NO way we could match up with memphis frontline. Golden State has become much better --their combination of athletic ability and size would counter the Knicks experience. One big problem with the Knicks and why they will lose atleast 55 games--they wil only average in the 85pt range and their defense isnt what it used to be. I think you are over rating them. If Clevland had Wagner back playing at 100% they are alos CLEARLY beter than the Knicks they have a center who they couldnt contain and three athletes davis miles and wagner who we couldnt match. Heck Smush Parker is a better athlete than any Knick
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10/28/2002  2:23 PM
Nonsense. Grizzlies are too young and inexperienced, Warriors SHOULD be better but seem to fail season after season, regardless of the lineup. Perhaps they'd be better in the East, but they're not, so their record will probably be worse than the Knicks.

Wagner won't be a good player for two or three seasons. Rookies suck. Period. In only a few exceptions (Duncan, Iverson, Carter come to mind) will they turn a team around. Remember how bad Steve Francis sucked his first year? And Wagner is nowhere as talented as Steve Francis. Smush Parker is not all that impressive, but he could grow up to be a damn good player later on.

Young players do not know the game the way the older guys do. Raw speed and jumping ability are no match for a player who knows the game. Athleticism is nothing without experience. Stockton isn't nearly as fast as he used to be, yet, at 40, he's still one of the top PG's in the NBA.

I agree that Cleveland has the pieces to be better than the Knicks (Miles, Ilgauskis), but Wagner is nothing special, just another undersized shooting guard. Unless Wagner plays like AI, he's no match for AH, at least not this year. He might not even start for the Cavs.
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Clearly the Grizzlies and warriors are better than the Knicks NOW. There is NO way we could match up with memphis frontline. Golden State has become much better --their combination of athletic ability and size would counter the Knicks experience. One big problem with the Knicks and why they will lose atleast 55 games--they wil only average in the 85pt range and their defense isnt what it used to be. I think you are over rating them. If Clevland had Wagner back playing at 100% they are alos CLEARLY beter than the Knicks they have a center who they couldnt contain and three athletes davis miles and wagner who we couldnt match. Heck Smush Parker is a better athlete than any Knick
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