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BRIGGS
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7/2/2006  2:22 PM
offer the suns mo taylor for kurt thomas and #1 picks in 2007 2009 2011

they are damned by cap space and they give up picks like they are nothing. KT still can help this team--especially a win now team by backing up Frye and Curry

the suns are in a sht position and this can help out both clubs.
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7/2/2006  2:25 PM
Time to calm down a bit. The Suns sometimes give up ONE pick like it's nothing b/c they need to save money. They're not giving away THREE
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7/2/2006  2:28 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Time to calm down a bit. The Suns sometimes give up ONE pick like it's nothing b/c they need to save money. They're not giving away THREE

well, the suns have sold 5 1st round picks in the last 3 years, including pick 7. selling 3 for 8.6mm is fair market value.--No one else can help them out and it doesnt effect our long term bottom line--its only one extra year of 9mm. plus if I was tryinmg to win, id take KT over almost anything we have as back ups.
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7/2/2006  3:38 PM
Sold 5 picks in 3 years in how many transactions? Have they ever given up TWO let alone three in one transaction? Let's think about this a little more. Surely plenty of teams would take back Kurt for just one 1st rd pick. I'm sure they realize this and won't throw three away.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-02-2006 3:45 PM]
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If I wee the knicks, I would go with the "go with what brougth us" philosophy. Remind everyone that we aren't playing the right way, but we are playing a new improved way. which eventually is the right way.

Enjoy the game, alley oop all you want, but instead of fines and crossed arms for missed dunks, you are running laps (keepin in shape).

I would return crawford to the bench as a sixth man and start marbury and Qrich/Francis. whoever plays better in the preseason.

I'd start QWoods/QRich at the 3 (if rich no start at 2) and bring this year's rooks along slowly.

I'd focus on getting a core supporting case around marbury that can pound the ball in the paint and benefit from his dribble penetration (curry), can can the outside jumper ala kurt thomas off of the extremely effective pick and roll and they turn the knicks loose.

run and run and run.

If you are tired, we've got somebody to take your place. I would bring crawford in slowly filling in where needed in the back court and possibly the 3 should need be, but in the end he's getting "ben gordon" minutes.

My focus will be to win awards for everyone, 6th man of the year for crawford, comeback player of the year for Marbury and Coach of the year for Zeke.

I would return my draft picks to their natural starting positions, Nate goes back to the 2 and Lee backs up the 4 AND the 5.

Curry will need a breather and when he does I bring in Lee and only lee to back up both frye and Curry. That garuntees the tempo will stay up and we keep the other team on their toes.

We try to blow out the gates with solid wins over solid players and at the same time preach no paint buckets and hands in the face.

I'd try my best to find out who WANTS to get moved before teh season starts and let EVERYONE know that one squeek to the press (against team policy) about playing time and you wear a suit for as long as it takes.

I'd make sure lee, frye and nate realize that while they are the future supporting cast, my vision is for the Crawford Curry show to be shaq/kobe, shaq/wade and they will have their big games, but in 3 years time it's their team.

this has to be made clear on day one...any dissension, it's in a suit you go.

I'd use the NBDL for exactly what it is to be used for, stashing players that we don't have room for on the active roster. (I'd also brush up on the rules).

I'd involve spike more during games, encouraging home game celebrations as much as possible getting and keeping the home crowd on the other team as much as possible.

Emotion emotion emotion, if you ain't tired and sweaty, you aren't trying hard enough.

I set a goal of the playoffs or bust, talk playoffs after every game, let everyone know that this team is already set...instill from day one my faith in my team and what we have assembled.

Let them know that this isn't some collection of talent, but a team put together to run when needed and slow it down with the best of them.

I free jackie and david and nate.

I let QWoods do a 360 dunk!

This ain't your older brothers knicks gentlemen...these are our knicks (a close couson of camby/spree)
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7/2/2006  4:09 PM
didn't proof read, in zurich, it's late and I'm fired up...apologies.
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7/2/2006  4:24 PM
If I was the Knicks I would consider taking myself out of my misery lol.
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7/2/2006  4:50 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sold 5 picks in 3 years in how many transactions? Have they ever given up TWO let alone three in one transaction? Let's think about this a little more. Surely plenty of teams would take back Kurt for just one 1st rd pick. I'm sure they realize this and won't throw three away.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-02-2006 3:45 PM]


I try to look at things strategically and relistically. One very major reason why I did want Marcus Williams after he fell is because I FIRMLY believe that the older core--i.e Marbury Francis et al have NO shot at leading us out of this whole. Can they win 40 games sure they can--but tell me who is the PG in 2 years? actually tell what the team is like in 2 years if we fail dramatically and still have no cap space? Chicago is going to be one of the 5 best teams next year and follwing that--we owe Utah, so our assets in terms of drafting are shot for 3 years except for back end of round 1. we have no cap space, we have undesirables. the ending contract gig hasnt worked and I doubt it will.

I can clearly see that Pheonix is in a poor $ situation and I know they have been more than willing to forgo picks to keep cap space. Bringing back KT will help the team NOW and next year, and the 9mm $ price tag ====3 draft picks. this helps out anyone who runs the knicks if isiah is here or if he is gone, it will help. if things dont go the way the Knicks want them to, we could be in for multiple years of misery--many 20-30 win seasons with very little chance to improve. I started last year by looking at the team in a 3 year period. I thought that by drafting Bynum and getting another high pick[tyrus thomas] we would be set in the frontline for years and we can focus on the backcourt--heck we wouldve had williams.


the Bulls took years but since paxson came in he has fought set backs [j williams cury] and turnd negative into positive while being patient. now they are set for a 5-7 year run high up into the championship picture.

we always try to cut corners and Laydumb and isiah have been poor negotiators.
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7/2/2006  4:53 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

didn't proof read, in zurich, it's late and I'm fired up...apologies.

RV, I would say that is about as close to a gameplan as I could muster. I hope Isiah logs on from time to time and takes a peek, because these are pretty solid ideas. Mmmmmhmmmm... I like it.
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7/2/2006  5:15 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sold 5 picks in 3 years in how many transactions? Have they ever given up TWO let alone three in one transaction? Let's think about this a little more. Surely plenty of teams would take back Kurt for just one 1st rd pick. I'm sure they realize this and won't throw three away.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-02-2006 3:45 PM]


I try to look at things strategically and relistically. One very major reason why I did want Marcus Williams after he fell is because I FIRMLY believe that the older core--i.e Marbury Francis et al have NO shot at leading us out of this whole. Can they win 40 games sure they can--but tell me who is the PG in 2 years? actually tell what the team is like in 2 years if we fail dramatically and still have no cap space? Chicago is going to be one of the 5 best teams next year and follwing that--we owe Utah, so our assets in terms of drafting are shot for 3 years except for back end of round 1. we have no cap space, we have undesirables. the ending contract gig hasnt worked and I doubt it will.
What does that have to do with your trade proposal? Why not just ask for eleven 1st picks? That would save Phoenix even more money!
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7/2/2006  6:23 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sold 5 picks in 3 years in how many transactions? Have they ever given up TWO let alone three in one transaction? Let's think about this a little more. Surely plenty of teams would take back Kurt for just one 1st rd pick. I'm sure they realize this and won't throw three away.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-02-2006 3:45 PM]


I try to look at things strategically and relistically. One very major reason why I did want Marcus Williams after he fell is because I FIRMLY believe that the older core--i.e Marbury Francis et al have NO shot at leading us out of this whole. Can they win 40 games sure they can--but tell me who is the PG in 2 years? actually tell what the team is like in 2 years if we fail dramatically and still have no cap space? Chicago is going to be one of the 5 best teams next year and follwing that--we owe Utah, so our assets in terms of drafting are shot for 3 years except for back end of round 1. we have no cap space, we have undesirables. the ending contract gig hasnt worked and I doubt it will.
What does that have to do with your trade proposal? Why not just ask for eleven 1st picks? That would save Phoenix even more money!

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Im starting to think that Isiah had Collins rated higher than Williams as a PG which was why he was willing to pass on him. Because of his size & defense & fundamentals which compliments Nate & Crawford very well.

Collins can run an offense. I can forse him being our *PG* of the future. Though there would be some rotating between him & Nate & Crawford.
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7/2/2006  7:51 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sold 5 picks in 3 years in how many transactions? Have they ever given up TWO let alone three in one transaction? Let's think about this a little more. Surely plenty of teams would take back Kurt for just one 1st rd pick. I'm sure they realize this and won't throw three away.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-02-2006 3:45 PM]


I try to look at things strategically and relistically. One very major reason why I did want Marcus Williams after he fell is because I FIRMLY believe that the older core--i.e Marbury Francis et al have NO shot at leading us out of this whole. Can they win 40 games sure they can--but tell me who is the PG in 2 years? actually tell what the team is like in 2 years if we fail dramatically and still have no cap space? Chicago is going to be one of the 5 best teams next year and follwing that--we owe Utah, so our assets in terms of drafting are shot for 3 years except for back end of round 1. we have no cap space, we have undesirables. the ending contract gig hasnt worked and I doubt it will.
What does that have to do with your trade proposal? Why not just ask for eleven 1st picks? That would save Phoenix even more money!

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Posted by newyorknewyork:

Im starting to think that Isiah had Collins rated higher than Williams as a PG which was why he was willing to pass on him. Because of his size & defense & fundamentals which compliments Nate & Crawford very well.

Collins can run an offense. I can forse him being our *PG* of the future. Though there would be some rotating between him & Nate & Crawford.

I have no problem with taking Collins at 29, that would amount to a high value pick IMHO. I dont know that he is a PG in the NBA, but he can bring the ball up and get the team into its offense.
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7/3/2006  2:04 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sold 5 picks in 3 years in how many transactions? Have they ever given up TWO let alone three in one transaction? Let's think about this a little more. Surely plenty of teams would take back Kurt for just one 1st rd pick. I'm sure they realize this and won't throw three away.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-02-2006 3:45 PM]

They gave up two in the Tom Gugliotta trade with the Jazz, actually, I believe.
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7/3/2006  8:38 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sold 5 picks in 3 years in how many transactions? Have they ever given up TWO let alone three in one transaction? Let's think about this a little more. Surely plenty of teams would take back Kurt for just one 1st rd pick. I'm sure they realize this and won't throw three away.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-02-2006 3:45 PM]

They gave up two in the Tom Gugliotta trade with the Jazz, actually, I believe.
Well they were getting better return in that deal then Briggs' deal. (No long-term salary back and getting Keon Clark who still was viewed as having some potential.) If they gave up two conditional picks in that deal, one pick at most would be reasonable in this deal.

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7/3/2006  8:49 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sold 5 picks in 3 years in how many transactions? Have they ever given up TWO let alone three in one transaction? Let's think about this a little more. Surely plenty of teams would take back Kurt for just one 1st rd pick. I'm sure they realize this and won't throw three away.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-02-2006 3:45 PM]

They gave up two in the Tom Gugliotta trade with the Jazz, actually, I believe.
Well they were getting better return in that deal then Briggs' deal. (No long-term salary back and getting Keon Clark who still was viewed as having some potential.) If they gave up two conditional picks in that deal, one pick at most would be reasonable in this deal.

Who cares how many picks? Briggs is correct that Phoenix remains a good target if you want to acquire picks. And I, for one, would like a pick in 2007.
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7/3/2006  9:23 AM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sold 5 picks in 3 years in how many transactions? Have they ever given up TWO let alone three in one transaction? Let's think about this a little more. Surely plenty of teams would take back Kurt for just one 1st rd pick. I'm sure they realize this and won't throw three away.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-02-2006 3:45 PM]

They gave up two in the Tom Gugliotta trade with the Jazz, actually, I believe.
Well they were getting better return in that deal then Briggs' deal. (No long-term salary back and getting Keon Clark who still was viewed as having some potential.) If they gave up two conditional picks in that deal, one pick at most would be reasonable in this deal.

Who cares how many picks? Briggs is correct that Phoenix remains a good target if you want to acquire picks. And I, for one, would like a pick in 2007.

If he clarified in the initial post that the only part of the trade he wanted us to comment on was the players and he wanted us to ignore the picks for some reason, then I could understand your comment.
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7/3/2006  10:06 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sold 5 picks in 3 years in how many transactions? Have they ever given up TWO let alone three in one transaction? Let's think about this a little more. Surely plenty of teams would take back Kurt for just one 1st rd pick. I'm sure they realize this and won't throw three away.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-02-2006 3:45 PM]

They gave up two in the Tom Gugliotta trade with the Jazz, actually, I believe.
Well they were getting better return in that deal then Briggs' deal. (No long-term salary back and getting Keon Clark who still was viewed as having some potential.) If they gave up two conditional picks in that deal, one pick at most would be reasonable in this deal.

Who cares how many picks? Briggs is correct that Phoenix remains a good target if you want to acquire picks. And I, for one, would like a pick in 2007.

If he clarified in the initial post that the only part of the trade he wanted us to comment on was the players and he wanted us to ignore the picks for some reason, then I could understand your comment.

I think Briggs was exaggerating a little bit - more than detailing the exact number of picks, I think he was trying to convey a general idea. But, you got obsessed with a triviality. It isn't just me who feels that your observation was strange - see the gay robot comment above.

Again obtaining 1,2 or 3 first round picks in exchange for 1 extra year of salary at 8 million is a fair deal at the very least.
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7/3/2006  10:14 AM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sold 5 picks in 3 years in how many transactions? Have they ever given up TWO let alone three in one transaction? Let's think about this a little more. Surely plenty of teams would take back Kurt for just one 1st rd pick. I'm sure they realize this and won't throw three away.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-02-2006 3:45 PM]

They gave up two in the Tom Gugliotta trade with the Jazz, actually, I believe.
Well they were getting better return in that deal then Briggs' deal. (No long-term salary back and getting Keon Clark who still was viewed as having some potential.) If they gave up two conditional picks in that deal, one pick at most would be reasonable in this deal.

Who cares how many picks? Briggs is correct that Phoenix remains a good target if you want to acquire picks. And I, for one, would like a pick in 2007.

If he clarified in the initial post that the only part of the trade he wanted us to comment on was the players and he wanted us to ignore the picks for some reason, then I could understand your comment.

I think Briggs was exaggerating a little bit - more than detailing the exact number of picks, I think he was trying to convey a general idea. But, you got obsessed with a triviality. It isn't just me who feels that your observation was strange - see the gay robot comment above.

Again obtaining 1,2 or 3 first round picks in exchange for 1 extra year of salary at 8 million is a fair deal at the very least.

I comment on whatever aspect of a trade I find interesting. If Briggs didn't mean it when he said three picks, I assume he would have clarified that in his reply (which he didn't do).
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